Testing Capture system in LW orange today

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by Overlag
it was a simple question.....obviously it hit a nerve or something.

What his was implying is that in the software world when creating something that no one else has ever done before ... the mistakes you make, far outweigh the things you do right ... it's the mistakes you make is what you learn from ... it's a way of life.

[twitchy]

Originally posted by hitech
Nice way to once again make another straw man by calling me Paranoid. Of course that way you can just totally dismiss my last post in your mind, why else would you say such a thing.

And the  funny thing,



This is not even an argument, just a statement. And not only that it is a statement you have been repeating in almost every one of your post.

HiTech

Can't argue with that. Can't really reason with it either. Whatever it is. Good to know you care though.
Sorry guys, screw it. I was just rambling and out to get hitech. Furball away, arcade fish in a barrell is alot more fun than a silly war game.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by twitchy
Can't argue with that. Can't really reason with it either. Whatever it is. Good to know you care though.
Sorry guys, screw it. I was just rambling and out to get hitech. Furball away, arcade fish in a barrell is alot more fun than a silly war game.

Exactly, you are like a politician.  You will have NOTHING that resembles a Common Ground of the "Fighters" and the "Milkrunners".   Your mind was made up before your first post twitchy.    

The door is that way if you don't like it -------------->

[twitchy]

Originally posted by Masherbrum

The door is that way if you don't like it -------------->

Yeah it always comes down to that don't it.
I was wondering when one of you guys would throw that in there.

My butt is this way <---------- if you like it.

[mQuinn]

I also notice that there is a discrepancy between the general opinion on the Bulletin Board and country channel in game.  

It appears that the general concensus here on the boards is positive towards the change.  That is not the opinion most widely expressed in game.  

Knight's country channel was laden with angry voices directed at the recent changes last night.  Many people were disappointed and  hoping that this does not become the capture model for all arenas.

I am ambivalent about the whole thing, but it should be pointed out that the most widespread opinions here are definitely not the opinions being expressed in game.

[Bronk]

Originally posted by twitchy
Can't argue with that. Can't really reason with it either. Whatever it is. Good to know you care though.
Sorry guys, screw it. I was just rambling and out to get hitech. Furball away, arcade fish in a barrell is alot more fun than a silly war game.

Flying an online mmo like a box game is whats silly.
And thats what hitting undefended bases is .


Bronk

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by twitchy
Yeah it always comes down to that don't it.
I was wondering when one of you guys would throw that in there.

My butt is this way <---------- if you like it.

I understand your frustration twitchy, but AH2 was going down the drain.   You of all people should understand and realize it.   I'm not MAD at you, just frustrated that you aren't seeing the bigger picture here.   I've been trying to "push you" into realizing this.  

I believe, I sense a little humor in there.   THAT is a start.   Help HT, instead of nitpicking.   That goes for everyone.   Majority of us are adults, start acting like it.    

<> twitchy, No harm, no foul.

[SlapShot]

Originally posted by mQuinn
I also notice that there is a discrepancy between the general opinion on the Bulletin Board and country channel in game.  

It appears that the general concensus here on the boards is positive towards the change.  That is not the opinion most widely expressed in game.  

Knight's country channel was laden with angry voices directed at the recent changes last night.  Many people were disappointed and  hoping that this does not become the capture model for all arenas.

I am ambivalent about the whole thing, but it should be pointed out that the most widespread opinions here are definitely not the opinions being expressed in game.

Duly noted ... "widespread opinions here are definitely not the opinions being expressed in game" ... and very believable.

HT has admitted, to a point, that the first rendition of the capture system maybe too restrictive. He is having Flayed work out a possible new approach that he is going to try and implement ... hopefully ... so we just need to sit tight and watch it unfold.

Things will get better before they get worse, but I don't think that the system capture logic is going to go away ... like ENY and multiple arenas.

[KryptoniteXP]

Originally posted by hitech
That I play the game under different accounts when I want to get a feel for whats really going on.

HAHA! Hitech is getting on to my account and ruining my score!  I can blame it on him now!



Seriously though, I hope it does get tweaked and some of the suggestions for tweaking get listened to.

[Keeler101]

I like the New capture system

With some tweaking It should be great

[hitech]

Furball away, arcade fish in a barrell is alot more fun than a silly war game.

Sorry you don't get out of this one that easy.

Twitchy I believe I might understand you more than you might think.

My guess is you like to strategize how best to defeat the other team. You like the feeling of accomplishment when your side wins the battle,and especially the war. You like thinking how can we take the most bases from the other side. Create a strike with your friends ,and then win the battle.

Now don't confuse me with some other stone throwers around here. I have in no way implied that wanting to play the game that way is bad thing.

Your worried that by implementing a different system, you will no longer be able to accomplish those goals. I.E. You keep saying the word furball. Furball implies a static fight that goes on forever at a single base. This is in no way what I am trying to accomplish.

Also understand that I really do take your play style into account. But what I am trying to accomplish is in no way against what I view your play style as.That type of play is just as important as any other style of play.

It really is all about balance. What I simply am trying to accomplish is a better balance between offense and defense. That makes for a better overall game, and a better "Fight" which should give the guys with your play style a better feeling of accomplishment when they do win the war.

HiTech

[vizwhiz]

I am a newb.  I don't know all the background, but I've learned a LOT just from reading (and reading and reading...).  I've actually picked up a few strategic pointers from listening to both sides of all of this.  

I just want to say that I subscribed because I like to fly, fight, shoot, and everything else this game has to offer.  I have a lot of fun opportunities out there yet to learn (gv's, bombers, ships, etc.) and am looking forward to them all.

I can tell one thing already, both from playing and from all the posts.  The HTC gang cares about this game and about the community. (wipes away a tear)  If they didn't care, nothing would change, and your rates would go up.  They do, so they listen.  And they try.  

It is obvious that the community really likes this place, as they are willing to fight over it.  

I'm an engineer.  I know new stuff doesn't always work the first time.  But you keep trying.  I say everyone who pays and wants to fly has a responsibility to try to HELP with suggestions, ideas, and experiences.  Just the fact that there is a real person who actually WORKS on the game who sits here and reads everything everybody posts about this stuff makes me glad I put the money down!

I don't know all the ins-and-outs of this game, but I'll put in my two cents to try to make what they are trying to implement successful for everyone!  I didn't like the restrictive nature of the new method at first, it goes against my concept of what this game is about.  But I'm thinking about ways to make it work out, not just saying I don't like it.  Think...create...be helpful.  If it doesn't work out, then you can at least say you tried and you don't feel bad about getting rid of it!

Maybe its just that I'm older and have kids of my own, and this is one of the best "games" that I have seen that is geared toward mature-thinkers, not just the "fastest trigger" like other video games.  Maybe some perspective helps.

Going home...maybe I'll get to fly a little tonight.

[BaldEagl]

Man, this thread is better than Desperate Housewives.

[twitchy]

Great reply Hitech, that's more like it.

I think the bottom line here is that, despite the subtle nuances, there are two basic styles of game play. Those who like to dogfight, and those who like win maps. I think the frustration inherent here with the winning maps people is that we have seen alot of changes lately that seem to favor the former, and there is a growning consensus amung alot of us that the game is becomming too unbalanced in the favor of the dogfighters as it is.
Ultimately my point is that as the game stands right now, both schools of thought are pretty much equally represented in the game. If these new changes are implemented, it will unquestioningly be to the benefit and preference of the dogfighters, and a detriment to the base taking school of thought.
Things tend to ultimately and eventually balance themselves out, the furballers generally tend to gather together at a base or two and do their thing, the base takers tend to do their thing. Why force it?

What about Orange becomming the Furball Arena, and Blue becomes the strategic arena? We've already got the two arenas there, we would all the option of choosing then, and the furballers could carry on without having to worry about a bunch of Pigs rooting up their back fields, and the base takers could do their thing.

[hubsonfire]

Twitchy, you are looking at this like it's you versus the furballers, and that everyone is lumped into one of two categories, when really the average players probably fall somewhere in between. There are a lot more than just 2 mindsets.

And this bit about the changes only suit the furballers is crap.