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« Reply #30 on: December 04, 2006, 08:50:59 PM »
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What ARE the penalties to a business if caught? I'm assuming in addition to the Federal case the state may go after the business as well considering it's a tax issue.

Anyone have the info or a link handy?


Dont know about statewide but in NJ a couple of towns have passed local laws that hiring or renting housing to an illegal can result to an up to 10K per person fine per incident.
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« Reply #31 on: December 04, 2006, 08:52:23 PM »
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You're right it's not going to happen.  If companies were held responsible for the people who WORKED WITHIN THEIR DOORS they couldn't get away with this.  Basically what you're saying is that as long as a company doesn't hire the people that work for them, they aren't responsible for checking if they are legal or not.  This is brilliant.  A loophole for zero accountability.  The government couldn't have done better.


Nope one last time. I said they are not responsible to screen the employees of the companies they hire. There are privacy issues that wally world is not entitled to know.

Let me try it this way. You work for John's auto detailing. Your company is hired by a local back street renta car company. Back street renta car is not entitled to YOUR personal information that is on the application that YOU filled out when you applied to John's Auto detailing Company. The detailing company is responsible for IT'S employees and their immigration status NOT back street renta car just becasue they hired your comany to do a job on their property. The renta car  company might ask your company if they are hiring illegals but if they say no, they can't FORCE them to turn over John's detailing employee records.
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« Reply #32 on: December 04, 2006, 08:55:49 PM »
"With President Bush as an ally in the White House, he worries, Democrats will proceed next year with legislation to ultimately make citizens out of most of the illegals now in the country. And Republicans, still reeling from deep losses in the November elections, will give up the fight."

Give up the fight?

That would be completely stupid.
Being aggainst illegal immigrants is the one issue  the majority of the country would still agree with the Reps on.

Its the one area that could make a stand and have the people behind them.

Then again. I never did give the members of governent from either party much credit for their intelectual prowess.
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« Reply #33 on: December 04, 2006, 09:49:05 PM »
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Nope one last time. I said they are not responsible to screen the employees of the companies they hire. There are privacy issues that wally world is not entitled to know.

Let me try it this way. You work for John's auto detailing. Your company is hired by a local back street renta car company. Back street renta car is not entitled to YOUR personal information that is on the application that YOU filled out when you applied to John's Auto detailing Company. The detailing company is responsible for IT'S employees and their immigration status NOT back street renta car just becasue they hired your comany to do a job on their property. The renta car  company might ask your company if they are hiring illegals but if they say no, they can't FORCE them to turn over John's detailing employee records.


Nope.  you still haven't convinced me.  If I hire John's Detailing and they have suspicious employees that don't speak english and I ask John to prove that his employees are legal and he refuses, John's Detailing will have to move on down the road.  Although that's not what your original argument was, was it?  

You argument was that if you sub out labor you're not responsible for the illegal aliens that work under your roof, not whether or not you have the right to demand documentation.  You're telling me that even though wally world probably suspected that their subed out cleaning staff was undocumented, they have neither the right nor the responsibility to even check.  To which I say what  a wonderful world of zero accountability we live in.

It doesn't matter though anyway because within two years all these illegals will be granted citizenship anyways.  Then Wal~Mart won't have to sneak them in the back door after all the regular "associates" have gone home.

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« Reply #34 on: December 05, 2006, 01:00:47 AM »
VOR, I think a few people here might know of the specific laws. Off the top of my head, Lazs admitted the laws were not being enforced, as a matter of fact, so I think he would know the specifics.
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« Reply #35 on: December 05, 2006, 01:18:19 AM »
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« Reply #36 on: December 05, 2006, 01:19:43 AM »
the immigration issue is essentially boiling down to a gated community issue.

are you for or against them?
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« Reply #37 on: December 05, 2006, 01:48:05 AM »
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« Reply #38 on: December 05, 2006, 01:50:58 AM »
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« Reply #39 on: December 05, 2006, 02:00:40 AM »
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« Reply #40 on: December 05, 2006, 02:27:38 AM »
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« Reply #41 on: December 05, 2006, 02:35:06 AM »
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« Reply #42 on: December 05, 2006, 02:51:48 AM »
We're fraked.  How hard is it for a U.S. citizen to immigrate to Canada?

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« Reply #43 on: December 05, 2006, 04:36:12 AM »
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« Reply #44 on: December 05, 2006, 04:38:48 AM »
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We're fraked.  How hard is it for a U.S. citizen to immigrate to Canada?



dunno.   how hard is it for a u.s. citizen to immigrate to canada?


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