Cell Phones

[ByeBye]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
Nuke, it does for the most part.   The software that they use, goes on GPS, IIRC.  I'll ask my neighbor, he works for Nextel, and whom I get a dirt cheap plan from.  I had already turned off GPS, on my phone, but I'd still like to see if it mattered.   My guess is they somehow override the setting.

But, like I said, I'll talk to my neighbor and see if anything else can be made of this.

I used to work as a technician at Bell Atlantic Mobile about 10 years and I am familiar with how both analog and digital cell phones and cell  systems work.

A cell system does not need GPS in order to locate or transmit to a handset. Digital cell sites ARE syncronized via satelite.

The service provider would had to have let the FBI download into a phone, more than likey.

Really, GPS has nothing to do with how this was done, imo.

[Sandman]

AFAIK, the GPS addition was part of the E911 law.

Hell... my cellphone has two settings for GPS, "Location on" or "911 Only"

There is no position display available to the user though.

[Chairboy]

There's no requirement for GPS.  The E911 legislation provides carriers with the option to use either radio triangulation from towers OR to use GPS.

Take a guess what most carriers choose....  

[Vulcan]

Ummm, while I don't profess to be a cellphone genius....

Kaplan's opinion said that the eavesdropping technique "functioned whether the phone was powered on or off." Some handsets can't be fully powered down without removing the battery; for instance, some Nokia models will wake up when turned off if an alarm is set.

ya right. If you turn the freakin radio off how can you remote enable the freakin radio?

[ByeBye]

Originally posted by Vulcan
Ummm, while I don't profess to be a cellphone genius....



ya right. If you turn the freakin radio off how can you remote enable the freakin radio?

Well, here is my guess......since I have been away for awhile.

A powered on cell phone is constantly being paged and paging the cell system while not in a call.

It's possible that when you power down a cell phone ( screen is off, no input from key) that the transciever is still on.......you just can't see the phone as being on.

[Shamus]

I'm not a NY mobster, wont affect me any, I don't care what they do as long as it does not affect ME!!!!!!, the only thing that matters is will it directly affect ME!!!!!

shamus

[Chairboy]

Also, if there's one thing we can be sure of, it's that a strong central government will never abuse a power it is given.

If you can't trust the government...  who CAN you trust?

[Vulcan]

Originally posted by ByeBye
Well, here is my guess......since I have been away for awhile.

A powered on cell phone is constantly being paged and paging the cell system while not in a call.

It's possible that when you power down a cell phone ( screen is off, no input from key) that the transciever is still on.......you just can't see the phone as being on.

Well the way it works on modern phones/smart phones is you can never fully turn them off unless you remove the battery. BUT you can turn the radio off, this is to comply with flight requirements. So yes the phone/smartphone is not off, but its radio is shut down complete, it cannot transmit nor receive. So at this point I don't see how it is possible.

IMHO the phone would have to:
 - have the radio on
 - have some sort of backdoor/firmware to allow the mic to be enabled
 - or alternately been infected with some sort of trojan

There'd be some giveaways that your phone was transmitting as well, battery life, the interference when near speakers, and a few other things.

Sounds to me like the article is 50% BS, I've no doubt they did what they did, just some of the stuff there like the turning the radio on remotely is away in fairyland.

[FBBone]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
Correct.   But, shhh, let them think they know it's "simple to avoid".

I have an old phone, no GPS, Simple!!!!:noid

[Chairboy]

FBBone: Why do you think GPS has anything to do with this?

[FBBone]

Originally posted by Chairboy
WTF does that have to do with the thread?

Umm, lets see.......................... ....

The FBI can now activate the mic on any cell phone via GPS software, to listen in on surrounding conversations without anyone knowing. They've used this to keep tabs on two mobsters in NY, per a District Judge. He ruled that the "roving bug" was legal because federal wiretapping law is broad enough to permit eavesdropping even of conversations that take place near a suspect's cell phone.[/I]

That help at all???

[FBBone]

BTW, even if GPS has nothing to do with it and they want to listen in on me, well the fact that I spend any time at all on these boards should tell you how dull my life is.  More power to em, if they can stay awake!;)

[Holden McGroin]

What's a cell phone?

[uberhun]

I use two soup cans and some string!:huh

[Maverick]

Originally posted by uberhun
I use two soup cans and some string!:huh

Most people don't need artificial enhancements to talk to themselves. I'm really surprised you admitted this.....