Changes to come.

[2Slow]

I won't fly CT.  I did my 20 in the real world.

I doubt I will be here much longer.  I fly with my squadron and with Rook squadrons that we do joint operations with.  These changes will spoil that for me.

These "balancing" efforts are nothing more than a thinly disguised promotion to encourage some of us to like it or leave it.

I shall soon take my few $ and find something else to do with them.

I won't fly CT and soon I will not fly AH.

[Sloehand]

Originally posted by Soulyss
 We had the ability to self regulate and we didn't.

What do you mean,  "We"?  I self-regulate nearly everyday, sometimes twice a day.  And, I haven't gone blind yet.  LOL

[AKKaz]

We tend to find away to get together to fly.... don't think squads are in any danger of being lost

But a few things came to mind after reading all this stuff....

Over the years, have seen nights when sides were balanced, it still didn't make much of a difference.  EX:

All sides have 100 people
one country has 40 or 50 in one place pushing forward, and the other 50 spread out in other areas.  Hence a horde........ now the country being pushed needs to pull 50 together to defend and the 3rd country is now able to hit either front due to smaller defenders spread out across their fronts. Been that way ever since I started playing AW then AH.

Will try any setup HT sends out, more of curiousity than anything. But mobs will still occur and unless zones are setup with plane number cap limits, there is no way to stop it.

Secondly, with this new plan it seems that being able to change sides so frequently, are we really hoping that everyone will not abuse knowledge from coutries they just came from?  ie. cv locales, missions posted, noe raids otw, etc.

Been flyin for years, and one thing that has been constant no matter what changes is players will find away to do what they want.  If they want to mass together for pushing another country, they will.  Players abusing any info they have, there will be some.  

Not advocating anything by this post, but the horde will always be there, your not going to see go away, and as for the other stuff........... not sure, but have been reading posts of others complaining for years (alt monkeys, spying, furballers complaints on buffers, killing troops, nmy, dweeb rides, gangbangs, etc) so I'm not so confident that I won't be see the same complaints in the future.

I just keep reading an either/or.  Again, for those of you against the "hordes": do you really beleive people are not going to find away, even if a front is left open?  And until forming a squad function is takin away, players will find away to fly together if they chose to even if it means going to another arena to do it.

They only change I can see in this whole thing is HT setting up the even keel, from than on players will play as usual IMHO

[Sloehand]

Originally posted by hubsonfire
Time for a reality check for some of you. I fail to see how a desire for fun, fair, and balanced gameplay has anything to do with the downfall of american society, and I also fail to see how it suddenly eliminates friendship and comradery.  

You got it right this time.  YOU FAILED!!!  As you continueously do.  You failed to understand someone else's opinion.  I suspect because you don't give a damn about anyone else, let alone their opinion, especially if different from yours.  Big surprise coming from you.

You're happy with the changes cause they still satisfy your desires for gameplay.  They don't for many of us, but you can't see past your own pleasure center to see why.  Even if you could, it wouldn't matter.  You don't value us, so you don't value what is important to us. And how dare us, spoiling your perfect existance and private chat room by actually voicing our displeasure.

Get a clue.  You and your griefer friends are a cancer on the community, not part of it.  And I'm sure what you post in here IS an accurate depiction of what your attitude and behavior is like in real life.  Be thankful for families.  They have to put up with you.

Oh, and thanks so much for all your concern and input.  Round file, please.

[Guppy35]

Sloehand.  Please read what you just wrote and think about it for a sec.

You are suggesting that folks who want fair and balanced gameplay, in the hopes of making the experience in the game enjoyable for the most possible players, are somehow selfish.

That makes little sense.  The guys I fly with switch to low numbers country everytime we fly.  Not because we worry about winning the war, but because when playing a game, it seems like it would be more fun if the teams were fair.

What you seem to be suggesting is that as long as the game fits for you, then everyone else will have to live with it.  Which is the more selfish position?

This IS NOT war.  No one dies.  It is a game, where folks fly cyber planes, driver cyber tanks or ships and have a chance to compete against other people via the online world.

My loyalty is to the game and the people in it.  I don't recall coming across any 'bad guys' in this game.  It amazes me when someone says the Bish are this way, the Rooks are that way and the Knits are another way.

I've not seen it.  I just want to enjoy the game and know that the good people I'm flying with and against are having the chance to have as much fun as I can, regardless of the chess piece I happen to be flying for that hour.

That doesn't appear selfish to me.  And as near as I can tell, that's all hub has been preaching for quite some time.

I would suggest that Hitech and company look at it the same way.  How do we make this game enjoyable for the most possible players......not just the guys who like to furball, or not just the tank drivers, or not just  the win the war guys, or not the guys who like to drop bombs.  

I don't believe HTC favors any particular group, but wants the best for the game they've put so much time and effort into.

[Guppy35]

Has anyone taken into account who has the most to lose if the changes don't work?

Wouldn't that be the guys who design and own the game?

Earlier tonite some guy was ripping into HT, wondering what was wrong with Hitech and how HT didn't have a clue what people wanted in this game.

I asked him how long he'd been flying.

He replied 'about a year".

I then asked him if he thought that HT and company, who have been designing these games and playing them longer then most of us, might just have a clue as to what they want?

I then got the 'Oh, so I don't get to have an opinion' reply.  

Sure it's fine to have an opinion, but to suggest the folks with the most to lose, have no clue about what they are doing and that somehow we know better, seems a tad bit over the top.

That they even participate in these discussions and look for help or suggestions speaks volumes about how they operate.  I appreciate that they have the patience to wade through some of the BS we spew at times.

I'd suggest relaxing and seeing how this plays out.

[MOIL]

Guppy:
"This IS NOT war. No one dies. It is a game"
I agree with your post and have much respect, however, feelings of frustration, tension and abandonment ARE real

"My loyalty is to the game and the people in it"
Well, same here and for a lot of other folk. So switch sides, don't be too loyal? OR frustrate your squad or friends and just move on?

Lot to be said on this one, I'll agree it's not easy all the way around. I just wish I had more ideas to share with HT to help.

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by MOIL
Guppy:
"This IS NOT war. No one dies. It is a game"
I agree with your post and have much respect, however, feelings of frustration, tension and abandonment ARE real

"My loyalty is to the game and the people in it"
Well, same here and for a lot of other folk. So switch sides, don't be too loyal? OR frustrate your squad or friends and just move on?

Lot to be said on this one, I'll agree it's not easy all the way around. I just wish I had more ideas to share with HT to help.

Not sure about the abandonment part

Sometimes because the 80th bounces around a lot to low numbers, I'll end up shooting LTARs or getting clobbered by em.  Other times I'll be flying with them or running to the protection of their Osti's from the horde

Either way, i figure they're good folks  This applies to all kinds of squads and individuals whether it's shooting at them or with them.

The joy of 200 is the ability to keep talking to folks on any side so I don't feel like that's letting folks down if by moving to the low number country to try and balance it a bit, I'm helping to make it a bit more fair...or to provide more targets for the high number guys

[RTSigma]

The problem is human choice. People choose to do what they want, damning what the other human that flies the plane or drives the GV does.

If someone is gonna vulch, they're gonna vulch. If they'll horde they'll horde. You can't really stop human choice. If they're gonna call loyalty to chess pieces and/or squads then they will.

Another choice is that they don't have to play AH2 when it is not convenient nor advantageous to them. No one is going to force them to play or NOT to play.

The basic core of AH2 is getting in a plane and either: dogfighting, JABOing, strat runs or capturing bases. You are not prevented from doing any of these bar the other guy in the plane that shoots you down.

Don't want to even sides? Then fine, have fun not playing. Theres other servers that allow you to do the basic core gameplay of AH2.

[BiPoLaR]

Originally posted by hitech
Monday we will be implementing a new balancing system. It works with the existing ENY number. It will no longer limit what planes you can fly. But rather when it reaches a preset value, people entering the arena will not be able to fly in that arena for their current country.

You will get a message  similar to you are 3rd in a queue of 3 .

Your choices will be
1. go to another arena.
2. change countries.
3. wait until more people come onto the other side, or some one from your country leaves.

People waiting will always be able to change countries regardless of their last country change time.
People waiting in queue will not be counted in the ENY values.
This new balancing system will be implemented in all main arenas.

The test capture lines will be taken down until we can layout and code some different options.

1. The current zone / strat setup does not lend it self very well to the current setup,We will be change the supply system to work on all your countries fields, hence hitting the strat targets will have a larger effect.

2. The war win criteria will be changed from having to capture almost all of 1 country , to having to capture around 30 - 40% of both countries fields.

3. Will also make some core fields uncapturable in each country.

HiTech

 



well what i get from this is one big train wreck that HTC has created...lets all see how this cleans up...cause im not paying 15 to be told what base i can take or what country im to fly in ... i forgot who said it but yeah this has become a buzz kill

[SuperDud]

I truely believe it's the end of the world!:noid

[B@tfinkV]

i think the new system really sucks.



i used to love being on the outnumbered team with so many targets, now we all have to share kills fairly, wtf?
 

[straffo]

Old mission statement was : kill the red
New mission statement is : kill the red

hmmmm ... ok for me.

[Nilsen]

When today will it change? Im looking forward to trying it out. Ill just have to remember to stay away from channel 200.

Good point Straffo.... Shoot red (unlike numbers who likes to shoot at everything)

[Schatzi]

Guppy, MOIL, some great posts here.


Me too am vary about all this new testing and systems inplemented. While im not affected directly (as one of the freelancer spies), i am very much concerned about what all this does to the community. But im pretty sure so are HT and crew.

But I also see the dilemma: Gameplay as it was in the old MA did start to get out of hand, so i pretty much understood the decision for the arena split. Only HT really knows, but im sure there have been other facts and backgrounds that made him do it, beside the player obvious things on the BBS and in the arenas.

Gameplay as it is at the moment got worse and worse: EWA and MWA turned mostly into a milkrunners delight, the LWAs are heavily unbalanced country wise.... the "run for the reset" is on. Almost every single time I have logged into the MAs in the last weeks, it was to one country "having the numbers" and one country trying desperatly to fight and defend their last five bases.

Im not saying I cant find a fight that suits me or have my fun, but the overall atmosphere in the MAs has turned into something more distand and a little colder then i remember from the past. Add to that all the negativity on the BBS, that has made me pretty much avoid the General Forum, im not sure where this is heading.


But one thing I AM sure of. Hitech is trying his best to get things sorted. He cannot change peoples mentality and attitudes though.
As MOIL said, i wish i had more contructive things to say, but im afraid im short on ideas too. I wouldnt want to be in HTs spot.