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Offline Simaril

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« Reply #30 on: December 15, 2006, 10:36:24 AM »
But isnt the idea just another way to say " Make everybody else change , leave me alone"?


And, if as you say (and as I believe) that friendships and relationships are what make the game attractive....won't your suggestion make it less fun for the new guys, make them less likely to stay, and in the end hurt the game?
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« Reply #31 on: December 15, 2006, 10:57:06 AM »
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But isnt the idea just another way to say " Make everybody else change , leave me alone"?


And, if as you say (and as I believe) that friendships and relationships are what make the game attractive....won't your suggestion make it less fun for the new guys, make them less likely to stay, and in the end hurt the game?


was thinking it would allow them to meet as many guys as possible in 2 weeks, and then they could choose wich country they had most fun wiht.

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« Reply #32 on: December 15, 2006, 11:55:22 AM »
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was thinking it would allow them to meet as many guys as possible in 2 weeks, and then they could choose wich country they had most fun wiht.


Sorry Laurie, Simaril is right. He also echoed my exact point, just wasnt so long winded about  it. :aok

It seems that any nay sayers (heck I start to whine from time to time and hear alot of complaints from my squad about the changes on squad night) have one thing in common. I want MY game MY way. Any changes should not affect ME, just THEM (whoever THEY happen to be that day.)

Reading your post something caught my eye. You say "...it would ALLOW them to meet as many guys as possible..."

Don't you really mean "force" them?

I for one remember being completely new, and asking all the same dumb questions, and VERY soon developing a mental list of certain players that I just got along with. If HTC FORCES 2 week noobs to hop from country to country and back again, I cant see it being easy to develop any comradery with their fellow players. And this part of the game, is the primary, if not the only, reason i still play.
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« Reply #33 on: December 15, 2006, 12:29:56 PM »
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this thread makes me :rofl
WOW, I agree with storch! Flayed's line about "long term goals" really got me chucklin. Comparing something in real life to a pointless game:lol
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« Reply #34 on: December 15, 2006, 12:58:19 PM »
:D
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« Reply #35 on: December 15, 2006, 01:01:05 PM »
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WOW, I agree with storch! Flayed's line about "long term goals" really got me chucklin. Comparing something in real life to a pointless game:lol




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« Reply #36 on: December 15, 2006, 01:06:21 PM »
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See Rule #4




   as usual adding his most intelligent comments to these boards!!!:rofl



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« Last Edit: December 15, 2006, 01:33:57 PM by Skuzzy »
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« Reply #37 on: December 15, 2006, 01:19:11 PM »
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« Reply #38 on: December 15, 2006, 01:21:43 PM »
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The game I love is dying.  

Anyone have Blue Baron's post on how these games (Air Warrior, in particular) will always change, and that people will generally view the changes as being for the worse?  It was a great analysis by a very clever man who had a lot of experience with these.  Its central point was that you will always have a "favorite time" in the game, which you will miss when the game itself, or its player makeup, changes - which will necessarily happen.  You can see it in a lot of the posts from AH people who were here when it first started and the community was smaller.  The old AW crowd, who had numbers, rather than names, had a similar story (something to do with how AW went to hell when the Ten Thousand Dweebs invaded it).  One of BB's most pertinent observations was something like "So you think that these new people have ruined the best part of your favorite game?  Well you're the one who ruined the best part of my favorite game."

I find that I match BB's profile.  I doubt I'll ever have as much fun in an air combat sim as I had when AirWarrior had a dedicated full realism fightertown.  That was in 1998, if memory serves.  But just because that was my favorite time doesn't mean that I'm not thoroughly enjoying myself, with an entirely different metamorphosis of that game, eight years later.  

Filth, old dude, some of your friends will move on to other things (I'm remembering Pisof and HR), but you'll always make new ones (I'm thinking Filth, for example), and the central features that attracted you to this game in the first place will still be here.  So stop being so depressing at Christmas, please.

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« Reply #39 on: December 15, 2006, 01:40:54 PM »
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HT is obviously trying to move the game away from squad play.



Yep, HiTech hates squadrons so much that he is trying his best to eliminate them from the game.   It's all part of the master plan that we of the Secret Association of P-38 Pilots and Hitech came up with because we hate squadrons and everything they stand for.

So if you're in a squadron, watch out!  We are watching you!


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« Reply #40 on: December 15, 2006, 01:54:00 PM »
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they are the reason we have this stupid new system, imo.


No, people like you that refuse to switch sides to help even things up is the reason we have this new system not the other way around.  Just read some of HT's old posts in the ENY limiter threads.



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« Reply #41 on: December 15, 2006, 02:10:04 PM »
Am I just to vague here ?  So far the only counter to my ACTUAL point was made by Loser.   I'll address that in a moment.

Benny Moore, Casinoman, Fugitive, Simiril and Pluck please allow me to say your submissions are implying this thread is about me not wishing to change sides.  Our personal perceptions of AH rules or doctrines, weather a side switcher or loyalist, may differ but the thread isn't about me or you swapping sides, or either of us being patient enough to wait in tower. It's about newbies. I draw you're attention to my original words.

So...I got to finking. Christmas upon us. Influx of the newbies. Repeat cases of vet in tower and newbies on the loose...... Would it be fair that the "bread and butter" (paying) customer takes precedence over the free load... err I mean new potential customer ?

Kamilyun, Goth and Storch thank you so much for those valid points with
out which, some would think this meaningless.

Bruv119 To harsh.  Carrot not a stick.

Simaril said I missed why that kind of arena change wasn't an option.....  
Bear in mind I am an off peak player mostly.  In the opening thread I wrote 1) Go next door to an empty arena. Err ...no thanks. To slow plus I'll be accused of creaming it for me rank.

Loser... Sanity prevails.  Thanks for your thoughts here.
 AH siphons all the players that are 2 weekers, or noobs, or whatever you want to call it, to the side that has the low numbers. I mean what does it matter? They don't pay (yet) and most likely aren't in a squad that they care about right and haven't developed any country loyalties or online "friends" in AH.  
Point in fact taken but you mentioned "haven't developed any country loyalties" which is why I think it would favour the new system over the old.  This would be absolutely normal to a new customer.  What they don't know they don't miss.  Have you tuned into channel 6 help in prime time?  There's another world there.

So they have a terrible time, don't really have any fun, never learn enough to want to stick it out in the game because everyone on their team (or for the most part) is equally clueless as they are. Never have the desire to become paying customers and help the game grow and prosper.
That's the worse case scenario.  Newbies could also be handed out on a 60% / 40% basis if it looked like one country was taking a dive.  Most newbies would just be grateful to fly and shoot for the first week or two but for the more switched on you could hold out a carrot ... a sign up / buy it now option.  Why wait another week to pick a side, if indeed, that's what the newbie wants....he won't know or be expected to know any different.

As for Don't you really mean "force" them? Frankly, yes.  Newbies would be aware of the carrot option. They'll again not be aware of any differences and besides they are in the future going be forced with SIDE IMBALANCE choices 1, 2, or 3.  Unlike you and me this won't be a nightmare.  This will be the normal practise for them.

I'll part with this thought to your counter argument, which I must say had valid points.  Once a guy has been here awhile that's when friendships bond or loyalties form....not in 2 weeks of shooting it up.  Even so, if on the rarer occasions a couple of guys formed up early they'd have the "Option" to sign in early.  "Hey .... wanna fly with us ?  Sign up now and come Bish / knight / Rook or squad member to blah blah".... caaaching. :aok  

Meanwhile "bread and butter" paying customers won't be inconvenienced (train of thought withstanding) in summer, bank or seasonal holidays.

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« Reply #42 on: December 15, 2006, 02:12:59 PM »
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No, people like you that refuse to switch sides to help even things up is the reason we have this new system not the other way around.  Just read some of HT's old posts in the ENY limiter threads.



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I switch sides all the time. convinient that you quote one line of my text right before skuzzy came in this thread (no prizes for gussing why he came) yet you fail to quote the next line that said i have nothing against switching sides.



I know you enjoy this kind of thing like a hobby, but when you've quite finished putting your fat hairy foot in your mouth theres a few kids off in the freeloaders forum that need harrasing. why dont you go call skuzzy on them.

[snip].... with because we hate squadrons and everything they stand for.


everything they stand for? does every squad in aces high stand for the same thing?

does hitech know you are not only putting words in his mouth, but putting foolish tard words in his mouth?
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« Reply #43 on: December 15, 2006, 02:23:34 PM »
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everything they stand for? does every squad in aces high stand for the same thing?
 


Yes and that is why they must be eliminated.  

thanks for the tip about the H2H forum, I'll dispatch Skuzzy ASAP.


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« Reply #44 on: December 15, 2006, 02:37:26 PM »
Yet another chapter in the ever so fasinating Aces:cry Drama arena.:mad: