What should you expect from someone who you help?

[SAS_KID]

I hate it when people think i need help.........meatsheilds..... ...

[Dichotomy]

Originally posted by B@tfinkV
there are two types of pilot that i dive into a fight alongside.


Friends - want to help them and get them home safe even if i die.


Bait - well, sorry. lol

follow me from now on

in all seriousness I'll help any contryman in need if I can... I expect nothing in return.

[SteveBailey]

I'll jump in and help but expect nothing in return.  Complaining about not getting help after you dived in is like complaining about not getting a check 6 after you get bounced: ultimately, YOU are responsible for your own arse.

[Sloehand]

This is a "depends on the circumstances" kind of answer.  As a general guideline, I will help where, tactically, it is up to, and maybe a little past, prudent to do so.
Do I expect him to stick around?  If he can reasonably contribute to the fight, then yes.  If he can't, so be it, take'r on home.  Just let me know.

However, circumstances may dictate that I don't assist, even when asked.  My aircraft and mission at the time and my possible responsibility to a larger effort.  And condition of aircraft, of course.  But I won't leave someone in the lurch without a very good military reason.
There is one situation where I'm likely to fly on by, and that is when I discover this reason as to how and why the guy in the situation in the first place.  He dove in helter skelter into 6 bandits near their airbase "for the fun of it", looking for quick scalps and a chill thrill. Expect me to pull you back off the cliff your jumping?  Not bloody likely. You're on your own buddy.  Have a nice day.

[Silat]

If there mom is single then I expect a picture and phone number..

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by Fianna
When you see a countryman in trouble, and you try to help him, is there anything expected from him?

The reason I ask, is because a couple of times recently, I've flown in to help a teammate who is outnumbered by 1 or 2, only to have him fly away and leave me fighting 3 cons. I've only been playing for a few weeks, so I don't really know if I should expect him to stay and help. So, should I expect them to leave or stay?


Thanks.

I know your pain. used to frustrate the hell out of me helping people just to have them fly off leaving you to deal with whomever.

 I am finding morethat as people are more familiour with me and know I will help they more often then not stick around and help back.
Part of it might be your as of yet a relitive unknown.

I still get people who fly away from time to time but mostly names I am unfamiliour with

typically when Im comming to help I'll radio out a "Hang on (pilot name) Im comming"

In a 1 V 1 fight I'll ask if they want help first. Then loiter a bit just in case.

If someone calls for help Ill often do so even if it puts me in a bad place.
If I dont help its either cause for whatever reason I cant. Pilot wound/ Fuel/ammo Or didnt hear the call.

Anyway. Point being. Just hang in there.
Help when you can. dont when you cant.
As people become familiour with you. You will find them more willing to work with you.

[Reynolds]

Hmmm, if I need your help, im already screwed. Id use your distraction to get 2k of seperation, contact you on vox and coordinate a return attack on them now that I am in a position to make a thought-out strike.

[brucerer]

I like to think of this game as a team effort, so if i see a lone 1v1 near me i'll usually dive in and try to help out. Usually i'll hold back the kill of we both end up on the bandit's tail because i figure the other guy was here first and i dont want to look like a kill stealer

But the way i see it, if the bad guy goes down in flames, then we both win. Be nice if there was a way to high five your wingman... maybe tap wings? lol.

Imo, if you want to 1v1 exclusively then you should find a quiet area or go the the duel arena.

[jaxxo]

consider this if someone is helping you...

A) are they well known pickers?

b) did they check6 you or say on vox they were coming to help?

Ive had cherry pickers swoop down to "HELP"  lose all their E and than die to the guy I was fighting. I kinda laugh as  I fly away at the sheer Karma of it all, than i reverse and kill the guy who was on me to begin with (since i now have an alt advanatge) Thanks for the help

[smash]

Originally posted by Fianna
When you see a countryman in trouble, and you try to help him, is there anything expected from him?

The reason I ask, is because a couple of times recently, I've flown in to help a teammate who is outnumbered by 1 or 2, only to have him fly away and leave me fighting 3 cons. I've only been playing for a few weeks, so I don't really know if I should expect him to stay and help. So, should I expect them to leave or stay?


Thanks.

Used to be I had a mental list of countrymen who had done that with me and I didn't bother to help them a second time.  Same with 6 calls.  Since the many changes over the last few months it has become harder to recognize/remember players.

[tactic]

When help is needed it can be hard to find unless you dont need the help.    

lmao!  i've been chased by half the arena  I'm looking for help, finely see someone coming my way only to watch them fly over and disappear in the sunset, the only time a good cherry picker would be nice to have around. sigh...

 Then when i'm on some ones 6  300 feet away from their rudder and have things under control seems help is everywhere, tracers flying past my cockpit and the whole time im wondering how they are not getting killshot?   doh!

Or the old problem of chasing someone around the sector for 10 minutes by yourself and finely get on their 6 and some one outa nowhere does the 400 mph hero dive cuts in front of you, then you get a bead on the bad guy and send them to the earth and the 400mph cherry picker starts yelling ,,,,  who stoled my kill!   funny stuff!    tee hee!   not!    

And if someone does help me when im in need of help, it dont matter if im bingo ammo, low on fuel, flames shooting out my tail,  I stay to help even if that means I have to ram someone (and take the ram whines)  No ammo? ram em!  thats my motto!, fly interference, or just get in the way and blind them with flames and smoke.  

[MotorOil1]

Had a situation last night where I was exiting low on fuel in my Seafire.  I've got a Spit XVI boom and zooming me with an N1K and a C205 5k and closing on me.  

SSV comes by high and asks if I need a hand, I said sure as I knew I was quickly going to be in a 3 on 1. (thanks by the way)

I don't think there was anything expected of me but I wanted to be clear to RTB, this was what followed.

I kept dragging the spit out and away from the horde so the 3 on 2 wouldn't get worse.  After two passes by SSV, the Spit turned and left.  N1K and 205 were now close.   I set the tunnel versioned 205 up for an easy kill for SSV and now our 3 on 2 is a 2 on 1 for us.  I turn to engage the N1K, letting SSV know I'm back in.   I know SSV has burnt off some E saving my skin and may not have ideal positioning anymore.

Unfortunately for me I made a mistake on the merge allowing a ho shot which saw a bunch of 20s  through my cockpit leaving me quite dead and  feeling like a tool.  

Not sure how it ended up but the N1K I'm sure didn't last long after my death.

You can't always count on the guy you're coming down to save to be smart but I'd say before you commit, talk on channel and see what the situation is before you commit.  Had I been banged up or in a no win situation I would have called off the help.  In this case I never saw the help coming until it was called out, was too busy looking behind.

[Rino]

Few things I'd like to mention:

1) If you are dragging, please don't do it at altitude.  All you are doing then
    is dragging high, fast bandits to your "help".

2) If someone is trying to clear you, jink instead of break turn.  Small
    corrections done quickly and randomly are just as effective as huge
    energy burning flat turns.

3) If someone is doing you the favor of clearing your six, ALLOW THEM
    FIRST PASS ON THE BAD GUY!  Trying to "steal" the distracted bandit
    as the friendly rolls in is poor sportsmanship and potentially dangerous.

[mussie]

Originally posted by Fianna
When you see a countryman in trouble, and you try to help him, is there anything expected from him?

The reason I ask, is because a couple of times recently, I've flown in to help a teammate who is outnumbered by 1 or 2, only to have him fly away and leave me fighting 3 cons. I've only been playing for a few weeks, so I don't really know if I should expect him to stay and help. So, should I expect them to leave or stay?


Thanks.

Yep been in your shoes more than once....

Some ppl will stay and help some wont, I prefer to be part of the solution, not the problem....

there have been times that I have started an RTB with no ammo and a fuel leak, see a friendly in a fight and joined to help... Its amazing how you can stay on a cons six when your not trying to hit him... Made more than a few auger...

If you see a plane with the call sign "mussie" feel free to ask for help, hell I will jump into a furball with a bomber if I have to

[4deck]

I try to help my fellow country men when I can, most of the time Im at 22k in Lancs though. But last night, very L8, I was coming back off a nice high alt drop, coming down I ran into some trouble, 3 cons, took 2 out, the third had maybe a fuel leak, out of ammo in tail, top turret was gone, and my only plane was a mess. Trying like hell to make it bac, when 2 friendlies showed up, and took out the hunter. Very kewl doods, escorted me back 3/4 sector home.
Hats off to the blokes.
Thanx, when I really needed it.