This must be where they got the FM for the La7 :)

[Guppy35]

Originally posted by Jebus
I remember reading a story about P-38s meeting Yaks, when the war was over.  I dont remember the out come or the story. If my memory serves me right I believe the 38s had a hard time with the Yaks (not sure)...  I know some of you know this story.  Could you please clear it up for me.

82nd FG and their 38s ran into Yaks on  November 7, 1944 running ground attack missions in Yugoslavia.  They were strafing a convoy which turned out to be Russian.

Yaks were scrambled to protect the convoy and opened fire shooting down a 38.  There were a number of Yaks downed (Russians admitted to 3 Yaks down) as well as a couple more 38s.

It was needless to say a bit of a mess for the higher ups to have to take care of.

It later happened to the 359th FG and thier 51s when they had a bit of a brawl with the Yaks downing 9 for no loss.  More hurt feelings.  If the 359th history is to be believed, Stalin had the surviving pilots shot, and expected the USAAF to do the same

[Bronk]

Originally posted by Benny Moore
Call me a liar, will you?  Stinking Kraut!
 

Whoa there  junior.  I never said you were a liar. Just think you remind me of an american version of kurrfy.

Blind obsessions with a particular AC makes for silly postings.

I'll let you figure it out



Bronk

[Benny Moore]

I know Kurfurst well enough.  Kurfurst wasn't just blindly obsessed with his Messerschmitt, he was also deliberately dishonest.  I've caught him in many bold-faced lies.  Calling me an American Kurfurst is calling me a liar.

[straffo]

Originally posted by Benny Moore
I know Kurfurst well enough.  Kurfurst wasn't just blindly obsessed with his Messerschmitt, he was also deliberately dishonest.  I've caught him in many bold-faced lies.  Calling me an American Kurfurst is calling me a liar.

You're not a liar ... a liar is not suposed to be ignorant like you are.

[Tilt]

Originally posted by Benny Moore
Call me a liar, will you?  Stinking Kraut!

 

Two P-38s were lost, but two Yaks were lost also.  The Yaks had superior numbers and the advantages of surprise and flak support.

In the incident described by Dan the Yaks had inferior numbers......... they attacked  the lower tier of three squadrons (95th,96th,97th)of  60 x 38's from the 82nd fighter group 3 38's were lost one definately by flak.

The 6 x Yaks climbed straight to the 38's and engaged immediately losing 2 of their own number.

The top tier of 38's had reported the Yaks scrambling immediately after the 38's had attacked the Russian column.

Yaks were from 659 &866IAP who flew Yak 3's at the time.

[Schatzi]

I saw the Mig29 live at Belin last spring. That plane simply seems to defy all laws of physics.... its awesome!


Even though a F16 pilot we talked to later commented: Yeah, its cool. But in a real fight, ill just launch my missiles from 60 miles out. He wont even see me... all that fancy thrust vectoring wont help him much. But it sure is impressive and looks cool on an airshow.

[Treize69]

Originally posted by Schatzi
Yeah, its cool. But in a real fight, ill just launch my missiles from 60 miles out. He wont even see me... all that fancy thrust vectoring wont help him much. But it sure is impressive and looks cool on an airshow.

Thats assuming his missiles work.

Murphys Law of Combat #12- Always remember that your weapon was made by the lowest bidder.

[Viking]

I don't know if Benny is a liar, but I do think him an idiot. His argument with Tony W. in the MK 108 thread is especially retarded.

[storch]

the yak3 may arguably be the best fighter design for it's intended role in WWII.  if HT ever modelled it the whines from us luftwabbles, pony drivers spittards and Ladweebs would reach the heavens.  I believe you may still order one from the yak factory.  the soviets apparently never discarded the tooling for the fighter or it's engines.

[Viking]

Yeah you can still buy a brand new Yak-3m, but they are Allison powered.

[Whisky58]

Originally posted by Benny Moore
You'll excuse me if I don't believe such stuff coming from a Communist country - as a matter of fact, "the" Communist country, the Soviet Union.  They make the Germans look positively honest about their test data.  And the reason Germans were not to engage the Yak was because the Me-109 was even more unmaneuverable than the Russian junk.

It's always a pleasure to read a well informed and balanced post, free from prejudice, bigotry or xenophobia.

[Squire]

Never understood why HTC bothered with the Yak-9U, just give us the Yak-3. Saw wider service anyways. Not quite as fast, but better handling.

Commie devils.

[storch]

squire, weren't the yak3s was delivered long after the introduction of the various 9s in squadron service?  I was under the impression that the 9 saw for more service than the 3 did.

viking, I did not know that the current yak3s were allison powered.  

I know that there are still many allison engines available for sale.  on our last visit to kermit week's restoration facility they had 27 reportedly un-used allison V-1710s still in their original crates.  

was the klimov not a derivative of the hispano-suiza 12Y?  those were relatively underpowered compared to the allisons.  the use of the allison would make it a better performer especially if they are utilizing the later allison models such as the V1710-143/145 engines.

[Kweassa]

You'll excuse me if I don't believe such stuff coming from a Communist country - as a matter of fact, "the" Communist country, the Soviet Union. They make the Germans look positively honest about their test data. And the reason Germans were not to engage the Yak was because the Me-109 was even more unmaneuverable than the Russian junk.

 The statement above is truly a hallmark of what kind of wonderful knowledge you could contribute to these forums.

[Viking]

Yeah Storch, that's why they use the Allison in the new Yaks. Not many working Klimovs around today. Apparently the Allison is an easy fit too; not much needed changing.