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Offline DeputyDog1185

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« on: December 17, 2006, 02:13:52 AM »
I have been doing alot of off line flying, and have tinkered and tryed  every thing I can, but for some reason my plane (any one I try) will not fly over 147 mph.
If I pull back on the joy stick, the plane shakes bad and the stall buzzer goes nuts. I can not pull up unless its ever so slightly.
I have recalibrated my joy stick on both windows and in game to no sucess.
I have unchecked the enable stall limiter and done every thing else I can think of to fix the problem.
When I played a short time online, my team mates and enemy alike just leave me like im a brick in the air, and every ones planes seems to pull up hard or do a loop just fine.
What am I doing wrong? The buzzing sound and shaking plane are driving me nuts.
This game looks very fun, and I hope some one can help me so I can realy enjoy it.
Thanks in advance for any help.
« Last Edit: December 17, 2006, 03:26:56 AM by DeputyDog1185 »

Offline tedrbr

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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2006, 02:46:04 AM »
First, check out the  http://trainers.hitechcreations.com   website and follow through the various pages on learning and setting up the game.  Might come across something there that may help.

Second, what plane or planes are you flying that you are having problems?

Enable the stall limiter for a while, until you get the rest fixed might be a good idea.

Go into your options and lower the stall limiter sounds if it really is bothering you that much.

It still sounds like a joystick calibration or setting problems.... as if you are not getting full range of motion.....  have you tried the keyboard keys for full throttle and manifold instead of joystick to see if you are at full Manifold and RPM?  Or maybe a problem with sensitivity, or dead zone?  Something.

Have you tried with and without WEP (War Emergency Power)?

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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2006, 03:06:19 AM »
I have been to that link and have read over most of it.

I have tried many planes, mostly P51,F4,109,spit, but they all react the same, cant pull up!

I have tried the keyboard settings, and even with the RPM all the way up, it still want let me pull up, and plane still shakes bad when I try.
The way the plane is shaking and the buzzing makes me think that the calibration is ok, that its telling the plane to pull up, but something is not letting it causing it to shake.
I have tried it with WEP and it does increase my RPM's ,but still cant go into a loop.

Thanks for the quick reply and for the help.

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« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2006, 03:24:52 AM »
Hi Deputy Dawg,

If your using a stick.  You need to setup up the elevator axis for dampening and set the scaling.  

Everyone has their preferred way of flying and tweak it to the best of their imagination.

At first enable scaling and on the 0-90 sliders set it very incremental (so 0-10-20-30 are very gradual increases then move the others up slightly more until 90 is up at max.

What this will do is when you pull back gently the plane will respond.  When you get in a flat turn fight and your pulling back evenharder the plane will only start turning real hard when you have the stick all the way back.

As for the stall buzzer this is telling you that you are flying to slow and are about to stall if you keep pulling your plane will stall out and start spinning.  Obviously you need some speed up before you start performing moves so make sure the throttle is calibrated correctly and you are on full power.

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« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2006, 03:40:39 AM »
Sounds like you haven't calibrated your thottle if you're using a rotary on your stick. Make sure you rotate it completely through full travel when you calibrate. That should fix you up.  :)

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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2006, 04:34:02 AM »
well, I have eliminated it to speed. The reason I could never pull up or any thing is because my plane can not build up enough speed.
I managed to climb pretty high really slow, and started a dive. When my plane got into the 400 mph range, I was able to do a loop and it handelled much better.
But in normal conditions it will not go fast (about 160 mph) I just went online and every one just leaves me behind, and forget trying to dog fight!
I have recalibrated by joy stick and throttle several times, but still slow speeds= plane wanting to stall=no control.
I dont get it, joy stick and throttle lever work fine for every other flight sim I play.

Can some one compare this for me...

In game at normal cruise in a P-51 at full throttle my gauges are reading as follows...
RPM= 29
Manifold press=60
normal flying speed=160mph (indicated) 172mph (true)
cruising in a straight line after 10 minutes=250mph (indicated) 280mph (true)
« Last Edit: December 17, 2006, 04:55:27 AM by DeputyDog1185 »

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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2006, 05:08:09 AM »
cruising in a straight line after 10 minutes=250mph (indicated) 280mph (true)

That would be about right if your climbing slightly.

Have you tried diving to about 400 mph then looping.  The P51D doesnt really like climbing slowly anything less than 100mph it doesnt handle at all well.

Try a Spitfire or a ki 84  Try pulling up and holding them in a stall.  You should be able to take them all the way up to 0mph.  The p51 just isnt the greatest stall fighter.

If you've had experience in other sims and you believe everything is working correctly IE throttle and control surfaces its probably more to do with the plane your testing.  If you can go online I suggest you seek the training arena and mess around with some of the guys in there.  To get a feel of the controls and the flight model.

It may take several of months of learning to start appreciating what AH has to offer.
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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2006, 06:17:26 AM »
To get used to speed control try using some of the auto trims.

There is a trim called auto speed mode. I must admit I often call it auto climb because the default speed for each plane is a nice climb! - I do not recommend changing the default speed until you get to know your aircraft.

To engage auto speed use Alt + X this will in general terms show you the best climb speed for your aircraft. You will not be able to loop from this.
Pressing Alt+X again will turn it off

The next handy auto trim is X on its own. This will trim the aircraft for level flight as before X pressed again turns it off.

There is another trim that maintains the angle of climb/dive you are in, but the issue here is you have to set an angle the aircraft can actually maintain! I use this if I want to climb at a higher speed instead of altering the speed trim. Shift + X

Finally there is a trim known as combat trim. - Now this is liked by some and hated by others! Basically the trim works so that as your aircraft attitude is changed in combat, the trim is working all the time to trim to your current attitude. It will make it easier to fly in combat situations but possibly at the expense of response to controls (This is the bit some dislike). Overall I think it is a good thing for anyone new until they are settled enough to experiment and decide for themselves!
To use it Crtl + X

Naturally only one trim works at a time. If you are in the speed (climb) trim and decide to trim level the first X you input does not set the the level trim but turns off the last one. So the Trim commands all act as toggles.

Also to turn off all but combat trim you can move the controls enough to take it out of the trim mode. Combat trim is only turned off by either using the Ctrl+X command or by selecting a different type of trim

To help you know about your trim mode there are lights on the cockpit panel for each - different colours to make it easy to see what is in use.
Also in Combat trim you get a message in the text buffer!

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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2006, 07:31:42 AM »
do you have gear and flaps up in level flight and full throttle w/wep?

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« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2006, 08:25:29 AM »
hi all i have another problem worth than that

shortly i cant tack off i do every thing to tack off i cant
i press - & + the RPM dont move
any one can help me ???????????

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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2006, 09:29:16 AM »
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Originally posted by hero
hi all i have another problem worth than that

shortly i cant tack off i do every thing to tack off i cant
i press - & + the RPM dont move
any one can help me ???????????


If you are pressing the + and - on the number pad, that will not increase power. The + and- on the number pad controls prop pitch, which is only used for cruise settings while in flight.

To increase power, you must press the = key until the manifild pressure and rpm stops increasing (somewhere between 2,400 and 3,000 rpm depending upon which airplane you have selected). To reduce power, press the - key (next to the = key).

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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2006, 09:44:12 AM »
First, you have to make sure your controls are set-up right.

Goto the clipboard, and click options/map controllers. In the top "drop down" box select the controller you have your throttle on...some are on a stick, others are independent. Select the axis that your using "Z" I believe, and "check" the "advanced" box. This will swing out another page to give you the sliders and dead band adjustments. Moving the throttle thru its full range of motion here will show you a line scrolling up and down the blue box. With full throttle the line should go all the way to the top. If it doesn't, recalibrat it now.

Next, test it in flight. All planes take a certain amount of time to get up to speed. Some are quicker off the line than others. Of your list of planes you tried most, none are real screamers off the deck. These are not modern jets, nor are they x-wing fighters, you have to give them time to biuld speed. Take off from a base near the shore, get your wheels up (hit G for gear), and turn carefully toward the sea. Hit "x" for level auto pilot and give the plane a few MINUTES to build speed.  If your throttle is working right, the plane should slowly build speed. Good manuvering speed could take 5-8 minutes depending on which plane your flying.

There is an old fight pilots saying that "Alt is life" The meaning behind it is you have "stored energy" when you have alt. Nosing over will turn that stored energy to speed quickly giving you that manuvering speed fast. Alot of people you are seeing blow by you have most likely done that, dove from some alt to build speed. Manuvering burns off this speed so be carefull how you use it as it takes time to re-build it.

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« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2006, 11:33:05 PM »
Thanks for every ones responce, I think I am getting it.