Author Topic: Good Riddance to Kofi (Read 2261 times)

-tronski- · « **Reply #90 on:** December 20, 2006, 06:02:52 AM »

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Originally posted by WMLute
Let's say I caught my 17 yr old son smoking Crack a year ago. He goes to rehab, and is supposedly "clean" now. Then I hear from multiple sources that he's smoking pot again. Multiple, reliable sources. Pretty much everybody I ask tells me that yes, he is indeed smoking Crack again. When I search his room, I only find the slightest "trace" of drug paraphanalia. I decide to kick him out of the house. Am I justified?

Before you kicked him out 9 out of 10 of these realiable sources told you the way he's being supervised is most likely keeping his drug habit under control - but to make sure they tell you should engage him further, and they'll give you assistance.

But you rebuff them, and decide throwing him out of the house is a far better solution - and he'll be fine out on the street..infact he'll come back begging for help - so you and your only solitary "friend" who agrees with you chuck him out through a window and ransack his room finding only a very old joint, and a broken crack pipe.
Meanwhile your son now "free" comes back and kills your other son, your neighbour and starts destroying your house with his newly found crack dealing friends....are you still asking whether you were still justified?

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Originally posted by Viking
The UN can only be as good as its member nations want it to be. Blaming the UN for its failures is like blaming HTC for the O’Club being a mess.

UN missions work - if the needs of the mission aren't exceeded by it's participants own desires...which is half the problem

Tronsky

culero · « **Reply #91 on:** December 20, 2006, 07:48:42 AM »

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Originally posted by Viking
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lazs2 · « **Reply #92 on:** December 20, 2006, 08:41:19 AM »

what percent of "peacekeeping missunz" of the un does norway pay? Is it something less than the 25% that the US pays?

lazs

lukster · « **Reply #93 on:** December 20, 2006, 09:11:19 AM »

I didn't look up the numbers but I'd bet Norway has paid less than 10% of what the US has paid to maintain the UN. I can understand small countries wanting to end the Security Council veto giving them a voice much larger than their corresponding contribution to the UN but it just ain't gonna happen.

Ok, Looked up some numbers:

Table 2: Other Notable Contributions to the UN Regular Budget as of June 2006

Nation or Grouping
Assessed Percentage
Amount in US Dollars

United States
22.00
$423,464,855

Japan
19.47
$374,727,900

Germany
8.66
$147,825,532

United Kingdom
6.13
$104,563,268

France
6.03
$102,907,868

Italy
4.89
$83,367,319

Canada
2.81
$48,006,605

Spain
2.52
$43,006,274

China
2.05
$35,036,460

Mexico
1.88
$32,135,243

The G-77
9.64
$185,554,600

The Lowest 128 Contributors
0.966
$18,593,956

http://www.unausa.org/site/pp.asp?c=fvKRI8MPJpF&b=1813833

Norway ain't even on the list. 10% was way to generous. Don't give that me BS about how any country pays more per person either. If you're going to start with that then you must consider that in the US far less than 20% of the people pay most of the taxes. This means that those who actually pay the bills are much larger contributors than anyone one person in a socialist/communist country where the contribution is more equitable.

SteveBailey · « **Reply #94 on:** December 20, 2006, 09:40:47 AM »

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The Security Council is not the UN, blah blah blah blah blah blah

Game Set Match. You lose... time to move on to the next subject.

BlauK · « **Reply #95 on:** December 20, 2006, 10:37:36 AM »

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Originally posted by lukster
Don't give that me BS about how any country pays more per person either. If you're going to start with that then you must consider that in the US far less than 20% of the people pay most of the taxes. This means that those who actually pay the bills are much larger contributors than anyone one person in a socialist/communist country where the contribution is more equitable.

... there seems to something funny in this logic

Thrawn · « **Reply #96 on:** December 20, 2006, 11:54:09 AM »

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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Game Set Match. You lose... time to move on to the next subject.

Wow, I didn't know discourse was so easy...let me try this out...

No! You lose, I win!

SteveBailey · « **Reply #97 on:** December 20, 2006, 11:59:10 AM »

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Originally posted by Thrawn
Wow, I didn't know discourse was so easy...let me try this out...

No! You lose, I win!

*yawn*

lukster · « **Reply #98 on:** December 20, 2006, 12:42:24 PM »

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Originally posted by BlauK
... there seems to something funny in this logic

Perhaps you don't understand my point? The UN has been a topic for discussion in the past and some have claimed that their country contributes more per person than the US. Even though that means virtually nothing they seem to find a moral superiority in it. However, if you compare the amount paid by those who actually pay in any given country I think you will find that the US leads that also.

BlauK · « **Reply #99 on:** December 20, 2006, 02:12:40 PM »

So you are saying that most people do not actually pay taxes in US? (nope, dont think you are trying to say so)

Or are you trying to say that those less than 20% of americans who pay most of the taxes (because they are so stinking rich?) are having so hard time paying... there is so little left for them after paying taxes which then go to UN... (no, u cannot be saying that either)

So I am kind of missing the point in your argument

Maybe it could be that if/since there are countries paying more per person, there must be so many poorer people in US that they (the US) should be allowed to pay less per person as total? ... so that they could use that money to help the poor?.. no.. maybe not

... so that the rich could be even more stinking rich

Must be something along that line of thinking

Thrawn · « **Reply #100 on:** December 20, 2006, 03:10:12 PM »

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Originally posted by SteveBailey
*yawn*

*yawn* x 2!

lukster · « **Reply #101 on:** December 20, 2006, 04:30:04 PM »

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Originally posted by BlauK
So you are saying that most people do not actually pay taxes in US? (nope, dont think you are trying to say so)

Or are you trying to say that those less than 20% of americans who pay most of the taxes (because they are so stinking rich?) are having so hard time paying... there is so little left for them after paying taxes which then go to UN... (no, u cannot be saying that either)

So I am kind of missing the point in your argument

Maybe it could be that if/since there are countries paying more per person, there must be so many poorer people in US that they (the US) should be allowed to pay less per person as total? ... so that they could use that money to help the poor?.. no.. maybe not ... so that the rich could be even more stinking rich

Must be something along that line of thinking

I don't have a clue what your point is. I thought I made mine pretty clear.

Your attitude about "allowing" people to pay less to the UN is one of the main reasons I want to see the US out of it. We have no obligation to support the rest of the world and I certainly abhor paying taxes to a world government.

mietla · « **Reply #102 on:** December 20, 2006, 04:36:10 PM »

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Originally posted by BlauK
... so that the rich could be even more stinking rich

stinking rich? what's that?

how is it different from just "regular" rich?

Viking · « **Reply #103 on:** December 20, 2006, 09:31:47 PM »

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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Game Set Match. You lose... time to move on to the next subject.

I accept your feebly disguised surrender.

BlauK · « **Reply #104 on:** December 21, 2006, 12:55:56 AM »

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Originally posted by lukster
I don't have a clue what your point is. I thought I made mine pretty clear.

Your attitude about "allowing" people to pay less to the UN is one of the main reasons I want to see the US out of it. We have no obligation to support the rest of the world and I certainly abhor paying taxes to a world government.

I give up. Some navels are tight enough only for one's neck, not for the hard head.

Guess what. The world is not only black or only white, there are several shades of grey. Try getting rid of the "if you are not with us, you are against us" -attitude of your leader and you just might be able to open your eyes.