Fw 190A-8 and Fw 190F-8

[zorstorer]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
When I was flying the A-8 99% of the time, I'd roll an F-8 for "jabo".   After dumping ord, I was able to turn pretty good in that thing.  As long as I stayed over 130 is wasn't as sloppy.   It is a VERY capable and underused 190.

It is truely and underused and underestimated plane.  Those rockets are the only that I have found that will kill a tiger outright.  One shot the side....boom...tiger driver in the tower thinking "WTF"

Though true to form they don't do too well vs. buildings.  I think town buildings take 4 rockets to go down.

[Noir]

Originally posted by zorstorer
It is truely and underused and underestimated plane.  Those rockets are the only that I have found that will kill a tiger outright.  One shot the side....boom...tiger driver in the tower thinking "WTF"

oooh I need to try that

[zorstorer]

Originally posted by Noir
oooh I need to try that

Just come in with a low angle....almost skimming the trees....and fire them in pairs (they will come off one wing, then the next two will be off the other wing).

Aim for the front quater panel with very little deflection angle....try to get it at a 90 deg angle.

For some reason I don't have much luck against the osti using rockets.  I'll usually use my bomb vs any osti's first then use the rockets against tanks and the armored cars.  Plus T34's seem very resistant to these rockets, which makes me think that armor slope is modeled in game.

Also the blast on the rockets is quite large and deadly vs. m16's, m8's and m3's.

[1K3]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
When I was flying the A-8 99% of the time, I'd roll an F-8 for "jabo".   After dumping ord, I was able to turn pretty good in that thing.  As long as I stayed over 130 is wasn't as sloppy.   It is a VERY capable and underused 190.

yeah, 190F-8 turns to a great fighter when you used up all the ords.  I guess its the wing pylons that help 190F-8's CG shift to the front.

[1K3]

Originally posted by Noir
The A8 is supposed to have reinforced front armor for bomber hunting.

No, that's rare, special field mods.  If they had that on all 190A-8 the Russians on the East Front would have no problem shooting down 190s.

Does the A8 and F8 have similar proportions ? whats the difference in engine and fuel ?

F-8 and A-8 are the same but in AH charts it says 190F-8 is 300lbs heavier.

IMO the A8 should be introduced in mid war, it would be an usefull and fun ride. I don't know when it came in service but it wouldn't be the first to be out of time range.

Nah, 190A-8s/F-8s are late war just like teh P-51s, late jugs, etc.  A good 190 for the mid war would be the 190A-6.  This is a 190A-5 with 4x Mg 151 cannons instead of 2x Mg 151 + 2 MgFF.  I think HTC should introduce Fw 190A-3 for early war and re-introduce 190A-5 as the 190A-6 for mid war.

[MiloMorai]

Originally posted by 1K3
No, that's rare, special field mods.  If they had that on all 190A-8 the Russians on the East Front would have no problem shooting down 190s.

The A-8 with the 801D2 engine had 6.5mm thick oil cooler ring armour. When the 801TU enine is installed the armour went to 10mm.

The 190A8/R8 had extra armour around the cockpit.

The F-8 had extra armour added to the lower nose and belly.

[Noir]

very interresting I'm off to bed so I'll read the rest tomorrow

[Krusty]

You'll notice when flying the F-8 around you rarely lose oil. That's the extra armor. It's modeled in the game.

However, I wonder why it turns better. It's heavier, with the same airframe. I wonder if anybody's compared the 2-cannon A8 to the F8? Maybe it's just the weight of the outboard guns that makes the difference?

I almost always fly with 30mm or 20mm outboard on the A8 because I love the firepower. However I try not to get into stall fights all the time. I'm not the best judge of whether or not it flies way better with just 2 guns in the wings.

[Nilsen]

I think its time that HTC fixed it so the flaps on the F8 (love that plane too) goes down. Its a visual  effect i know but its still abit annoying.

I also second the introduction of the A6 although i guess the chiefs at HTC maybe think we have enough FWs.

oh and gimme the ME 410 and the JU52

[1K3]

About the MW 50 tank in 190As

Since late war 190As did not use MW50s, did ground service crews just ditch that extra tank to remove excess weight?

[Krusty]

No. It's not so easy to remove. So when there was no MW50 (it wasn't used til A9s I think?) it was just used for fuel.

That's why the A-8 is more unstable than the A-5. That's why you need to take the DT and drop it on the runway if you don't want it, because the ETC rack counter-balances the weight of the Aux tank and fittings.

[MiloMorai]

Originally posted by Krusty
No. It's not so easy to remove. So when there was no MW50 (it wasn't used til A9s I think?) it was just used for fuel.

That's why the A-8 is more unstable than the A-5. That's why you need to take the DT and drop it on the runway if you don't want it, because the ETC rack counter-balances the weight of the Aux tank and fittings.

It is not hard either. A bit involved but can be done in no more than 30 minutes. In fact, Crumpp once posted that it was removed and installed all the time.

 The Cg had to be within spec tolerance whether it is an A-5 or an A-8. Just because the P-51 had a stability problem with 85 gal in its fuselage tank does not mean the A-8 had one with its 25 gal tank.

[gripen]

Well, from the Fw 109 A-7 bis A-9 manual (Teil 0, page 11):

"Bei eingebautem Zuzatskraftstoffbehälter im Rumpf (115 Ltr. nur zulässig mit vorgelegtem ETC am Rumpf) erhöht sich das Fluggewicht um 120 kg."

So apparently the both (AH Fw 190A-8 and F-8) have that additional tank but the A-8 has no rack, which it should have if the 115 l tank is there.

gripen

[Krusty]

Racks aren't included in AH unless you need the ord on the rack. So you need to roll with a DT, then drop the DT on the runway if you don't want it, then you have the rack.

Funky way of doing it, but it works (*shrug*)

[1K3]

Originally posted by Krusty
Racks aren't included in AH unless you need the ord on the rack. So you need to roll with a DT, then drop the DT on the runway if you don't want it, then you have the rack.

Funky way of doing it, but it works (*shrug*)

That's what I always do when I up 190s:p