called crucial and the first thing that popped out of their mouths was bad sticks, then i say what about this (i asked skuzzy about this also and he said that the RAM i got needs 2.2V and some mother boards only put out 1.8V) and he had a long pause....thats another possiability......(pause) how about i replace the RAM you got with a lower grade that is 100% sure to run with 1.8V...same amount of memory, his explaination was the RAM i got was really hard on the computer and the computer may not be able to run it...so either way i needed to replace them...we will see when the new ones come in