Author Topic: LA7 Ufo? (Read 3451 times)

SteveBailey · « **Reply #45 on:** December 27, 2006, 07:08:32 PM »

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Originally posted by mussie
Lame arse excuse....

Check my stats, You will see me in Hurri-1's Spitty-1 TBM's FM2's

Personally I think you comment is a lame arse.... Now go bite a pillow

EDIT: I just love the way you know my comment is an excuse.... How the F*&(& could you know anything about what I say when you dont know me....

Man that gives my the chits

Blah blah blah .. sniffle cry whine. I don't care what you fly, just have the courage to not invent lame excuse to do so. How do I know your comment is an excuse? Because the very same drones that spout your excuse are the guys I end up chasing as they run away. Like I said, I don't care what you fly, 99% of la7's are easy kills because the pilots of them most often don't have the first clue about throttle management and ACM. When I see an LA7 I practically get Pavlovian

Krusty · « **Reply #46 on:** December 27, 2006, 07:08:34 PM »

You should probably only use kills, not kills-to-deaths, to rank the planes. Why? Well the majority of newbies gravitate toward the LA7, for example. Being new they will all die 90% of their sorties. However, before they die they will give the LA7 more kills than any other plane (hypothetically).

So the fact that folks ditch all the time, run out of gas, or die because they fly stupid, seems to give it a low K:D, but that's not really the point. Put one into a furball and it will most likely get the most kills and be the last man standing.

Also please keep in mind the LA7 was the HIGHEST killing plane since it was introduced. That's many many many years. N1k2 was second for many many many years. Only with the introduction of the Spit16 did it have a competitor. Every other plane was significantly behind the top3.

The only reason this may have changed recently is the splitting of the arenas, the ENY adjustments, and ENY limitation rule changes.

The La7 was the top killer in AH since... forever. Keep that in mind. It still is the top killer, but recent changes monkeyed with the stats/plane usage.

EDIT: And the field ack increase. No longer can a lone LA-7 pilot vulch as many kills with the thick wall of ack. Nor can it pork the field single-handedly, which is why the P51 with its 2k bombs and rockets has had much increased numbers, methinks.

mussie · « **Reply #47 on:** December 27, 2006, 07:19:13 PM »

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Originally posted by SteveBailey
Blah blah blah .. sniffle cry whine. I don't care what you fly, just have the courage to not invent lame excuse to do so. How do I know your comment is an excuse? Because the very same drones that spout your excuse are the guys I end up chasing as they run away. Like I said, I don't care what you fly, 99% of la7's are easy kills because the pilots of them most often don't have the first clue about throttle management and ACM. When I see an LA7 I practically get Pavlovian

Well buddy if you see the cpid mussie in the MA feel free to call me out for a fight....

Love a good duel....

Hurri-1's if you will

Have a nice day

EDIT: And it aint an excuse mate... I dont like the LA-7, But I do have great fun chassing runners in it....

And when I say I dont like it I mean I dont like the way it handles, nor do I like its cannons I have scored to many pings on ppl which resulted in no noticable damage....

BTW what is you CPID

eh · « **Reply #48 on:** December 27, 2006, 07:40:23 PM »

What do you call a late war fighter with:

1. a terrible cockpit view
2. ammo with lousy ballistics
3. hilariously lightweight ordinance
4. lousy gas mileage
5. poor performance above 15 - 20k
6. poor dog fighting characteristics?
?????

An La-7.

Yah. Perk it. And while you are at it, perk every late war American ride. They are all better than the La-7 in most if not all of those characteristics. All the La7 has going for it is speed, and it needs it.

Lusche · « **Reply #49 on:** December 27, 2006, 07:46:47 PM »

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Originally posted by eh
What do you call a late war fighter with:

1. a terrible cockpit view
2. ammo with lousy ballistics
3. hilariously lightweight ordinance
4. lousy gas mileage
5. poor performance above 15 - 20k
6. poor dog fighting characteristics?
?????

An La-7.

While I would reluctantly agree to most points mentoined , I have to say that #6 is absolutely not true.
People vastly underestimate the dogfighting capabilties of the La7. It turns much better than most people think. Add to this the tremendous power, and you have a plane well able to get into a close brawl. Of course, you have to know to handle your throttle...

Bubbajj · « **Reply #50 on:** December 27, 2006, 07:47:16 PM »

I've never had any luck with the La La but I'm also a knife fighter which may not play to it's strengths. I've shot down a lot of La's in an FM2. Since it was brought up, whats so great about a TA 152?? Never noticed that they were that fast or maneuverable. I've never seen one last long in a dogfight. What's the big deal? I really dislike Yucca and Greebo in their freeking F6s and hogs by the way.

mussie · « **Reply #51 on:** December 27, 2006, 07:53:03 PM »

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Originally posted by Bubbajj
I've never had any luck with the La La but I'm also a knife fighter which may not play to it's strengths. I've shot down a lot of La's in an FM2. Since it was brought up, whats so great about a TA 152?? Never noticed that they were that fast or maneuverable. I've never seen one last long in a dogfight. What's the big deal? I really dislike Yucca and Greebo in their freeking F6s and hogs by the way.

I find that the TA can be brilliant at treetop level... I had a blast fighting Yukon in his 38G the other day... (yeah he kicked my butt but it was not about winning it was about the fight)

Then there was the conga line following me as I dove into some valleys on one of the new maps... I managed to reverse on em and give em a scare....

You gotta work real hard to stop that right wing from stalling when the knife fight gets tight, but If you can keep it togeather you will surprise a few ppl..

~~EDIT: as for the FM2, I have scored more kills in that plane than any other, (yeah I have a tally of all my kills for all tours) but I just lost my taste for it some where along the way...~~

Lusche · « **Reply #52 on:** December 27, 2006, 07:54:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Bubbajj
I've never had any luck with the La La but I'm also a knife fighter which may not play to it's strengths. I've shot down a lot of La's in an FM2. Since it was brought up, whats so great about a TA 152?? Never noticed that they were that fast or maneuverable. I've never seen one last long in a dogfight. What's the big deal? I really dislike Yucca and Greebo in their freeking F6s and hogs by the way.

Best 152 altitude is at about 35K and above (service ceiling was around 50K). In MAs, it is more or less a fish out of water most of the time. But it has massive firepower, though.

mussie · « **Reply #53 on:** December 27, 2006, 07:58:58 PM »

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Originally posted by Lusche
Best 152 altitude is at about 35K and above (service ceiling was around 50K). In MAs, it is more or less a fish out of water most of the time. But it has massive firepower, though.

I have to disagree Lusche....

I have some films of me knife fighting in the 152 I will post later (I am at work at the moment)...

IMO Its a dam good bird....

Lusche · « **Reply #54 on:** December 27, 2006, 08:20:50 PM »

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Originally posted by mussie
I have to disagree Lusche....

I have some films of me knife fighting in the 152 I will post later (I am at work at the moment)...

IMO Its a dam good bird....

Hehe, I do know YOU (and some other dam good pilots) can do it

But still it has less power (accel, climb), less top speed, slower roll rate that the D-9. The turn rate is a bit better, but still dismal when compared to most other planes. I would even dare to say it´s a neutered D9 down low .

Add to that some nasty behavior at slow speeds - I would never recommend a 152 for low level fighting. You really have to be a very good pilot to prevail in a knife fight.

mussie · « **Reply #55 on:** December 27, 2006, 08:28:24 PM »

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Originally posted by Lusche
Hehe, I do know YOU (and some other dam good pilots) can do it

But still it has less power (accel, climb), less top speed, slower roll rate that the D-9. The turn rate is a bit better, but still dismal when compared to most other planes. I would even dare to say it´s a neutered D9 down low .
Add to that some nasty behavior at slow speeds - I would never recommend a 152 for low level fighting. You really have to be a very good pilot to prevail in a knife fight.

Thanks for the compliment

I got another 7 or so hours here at work. But I will post those films in their unedited AH format tonight. will put them in the Films forum....

Later

hubsonfire · « **Reply #56 on:** December 27, 2006, 08:35:15 PM »

Mussie, meet Steve. He likes to fly 51s in extremely low risk situations. Think GrmRpr w/o a sense of humor.

SteveBailey · « **Reply #57 on:** December 27, 2006, 08:44:23 PM »

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Originally posted by mussie
Well buddy if you see the cpid mussie in the MA feel free to call me out for a fight....

BTW what is you CPID

*sigh* the old "Let's duel, I are l33t and you are teh suck."
I much prefer the chaos of the MA. If I win, are you going to say I'm right? What's my motivation for dueling? Beating you won't mean I'm right, or a better pilot and I'm not into chest thumping much. I'll duel ya in any plane you want... when I'm in the mood for the DA, the plane isn't what counts, it's the fun.

My CPID: Steve

SteveBailey · « **Reply #58 on:** December 27, 2006, 08:46:31 PM »

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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Mussie, meet Steve. He likes to fly 51s in extremely low risk situations. Think GrmRpr w/o a sense of humor.

I don't even know you and I can tell you don't know me. I think I shot you down one or twice this tour but it was in a gaggle of planes and certainly not a 1v1, if I remember correctly.

Have a nice day.

mussie · « **Reply #59 on:** December 27, 2006, 08:51:50 PM »

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Originally posted by SteveBailey
*sigh* the old "Let's duel, I are l33t and you are teh suck."
I much prefer the chaos of the MA. If I win, are you going to say I'm right? What's my motivation for dueling? Beating you won't mean I'm right, or a better pilot and I'm not into chest thumping much. I'll duel ya in any plane you want... when I'm in the mood for the DA, the plane isn't what counts, it's the fun.

My CPID: Steve

I have NEVER EVER in my entire time playing AH said that I was l33t or even good.... Infact In the "Career stats" thread my exact words were "Yeah I Suck"

But if you like a good fight that involves pushing the plane and not the throttle then I am happy to oblige....

So again If you see me in the MA and want a good furball then feel free to call me out to a fileld....

You done cause I am