I am wondering...

[daddog]

How many of you might go in the Allied VS Axis arena during the week if it matched the exact same setup as a currently running Friday Squad Ops?

I know I looked at the MA as practice for FSO and I bet many of you do too. Would you go in the AVA and practice there if it had the same terrain/settings/plane set as a current FSO?

[lowtec]

I would.  Perhaps the AVA need not have the exact setup as the FSO, just simular.  I think you may be on to something here.  About all I do in AH is the FSO.  I have the honor of serving as Viper 61's assistant in creating the combat orders for the 325th Checkertails.  In the past, the 325th flew often in the AVA, in an effort to experience the historical aspects of WWII aviation.  Many (if not all) of us have quit the AVA.  There just are not may guys in there.  I think your idea of making the AVA a "rehearsal" areana for the FSO is great.  Perhaps somthing like that would revive the AVA.  I know of your respected repution in AH.  I'm a "nobody".  It would be great if someone like you could pass this up to the top.  I, and many others, will appriciate and support your efforts.

Lowtec
325th OPS NCO

[doobs]

dd wouldn't ya be tipping your hand then. you'd find out what squads were flying what plane,

 maybe put up the next FSO event would be better in the AVA so squads can decide what ride suits them the best. basically killing many birds with one stone. advertising, test riding the planeset, allow timing to be done well in advance. rip Dantoo a new vowelhole(howabout that one for getting around the auto moderator)see ord's and fuel needs for the upcoming event. entice other players and squads.

It would IMHO make FSO that much better as everybody could be better prepared in so many different ways.



and lastly, it could fill the AVA on most nights, a rolling FSO, but practice.
the squads might go threre two or three times a week,or have a squadnite there


HOLY VOWELHOLE
I actually came up with a brillant idea.


another endorsement for Jack Daniels

[Viper61]

DD I think its a great idea.  I think the AVA might be used more as well.  Also it would provide a better location to pre-fly missions and checking targets.

Currently when I and lowtec plan we fly in the "offline" arena to check routes and loads.  However in most cases no one is shoting at you so recon pictures lack the real deal.

Doobs I understand your concern about tipping your hand.  But if you were silly enough to prefly your mission in there with one of my guys looking than you deserve to be shoot down by the best damn pilot in the game Dantoo! (smile) Also you would still have the option of using the "offline" arena to prefly your missions if you do that.

Daddog I think your plan should be put into place if nothing more than for 30 to 60 days and allow test and evalulation of its meret.  I also think you should set it up exactly as the FSO frame would be.

Viper 61

[CUTT]

Daddog,
I'm willing to give it a try as well. The 325th left the AvA basically becuase it was always the same ol same ol. Some of the "regulars" were abusive towards the opposite side and it went on and on.. blah blah blah. I grew tired of the animosity personally
Looks like you have a good idea if it flys (pardon the pun )

CUTT
325th Checkertails VFG
Commanding

[Serenity]

Id be there if there were just more damned people in there!

[ClevMan]

Yeah, DD, I think the AvA is a great arena anyway...  I think the Air Raiders would love to be a part of that to practice for Friday nights...  Obviously, as of late, we need the practice  


to creativity

[Shifty]

Same here Daddog. I'd get as many of 880 in there as possible.

[ROC]

The AvA is a fantastic arena, and I always enjoy going in there for a fight, that is, when the Rare situation evolves where I can actually get online and play for a change.

I'm very happy to see the support of the FSO group to the interest in having the AvA arena host the event conditions.  It should be a good fit, both in allowing more practice times for both FSO And Scenarios while boosting the attendance in the AvA arenas.

That is why I was so grateful when the AvA group approached the CM team about a month ago and began discussing how we could work together.  Now that Daddog had just joined the AvA team, I see that the idea has more support  and things could really start to kick off.

Mind you, I don't want to take away the AvA experience and relegate the AvA arena to nothing more than a SEA practice arena, these guys have a good thing going, so we need to be careful that we don't impose too harshly on their schedule.  But I think that with careful balance and a great deal of communication, both the SEA events and the AvA can benefit greatly by working together.

[doobs]

your not seeing the can of beer/shot of jack thru the trees.


think of the AVA as a Film Trailor to the next event, not the current.

if your not hand tipping as a squad then your probably hand tipping as a squad,



Because if your not practising your ride in the current FSO. then your practising the ride you feel you might up against to learn its capabilities.
again a tale.


posting the next event upcoming will let squads get a feel of what ride they want, understand the arena, the possible situtations.

and choose what they want from there, and it leaves plenty of time to register for a side, weeks before it begins.

Will give the Cic's( who i now believe can be given a frames notice instead of 1 to 3 weeks)

al these thing can only lead to one thing, a better FSO on so many levels, from planning to expectations. It would only serve as a benefit, like a preseaon to any event.


Tap tap tap is this thing on

How could ya not agree with that, and don't ask about my BAC

[Mystic2]

I agree with ya on this Doobs..... post the upcoming FSO in the AvA.... that way you can get an idea of which side, plane, etc......    BRILLIANT!!

[Kuhn]

I don't know if i like the idea of practicing an event. Flyin what your gonna ride in is a good idea, but isn't there supposed to be some unknown factors that practice will eliminate? Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it would make FSO better. I'm just not sure.

[Dantoo]

I would agree with Doobs on this one.

I say this whilst being aware that just simply knowing what a squad is flying in the FSO doesn't give a great advantage.  Usually in the hour before FSO one only has to catch the messages scrolling up the screen viz.:  [Host:  AKBehemoth landed 20 kills in a B5N2] to know what many groups are flying.

I have an inquiring mind but I haven't found any advantage in these snippets of information.  I think that FSO and scenarios are somewhat different in this.

I do believe however that the temptation to fly a full practice run in the AvA would be strong and that might well be a problem for some CICs and could lead to relational stress.  That isn't needed.

The value of practice is substantial.  Squads knowing what they are doing adds considerable positive benefit to FSOs, Scenarios and even to the MA.   Shambles vs Shambles =?  Whether or not you can extract real value from the environment of the AvA depends on a lot of human factors.  You don't have control of what others do in there.  Practice for BoB and you can expect the other side to be in Spit 5s not Spit 1s (or in 190s if you are in a Spit 1).  Would you be asking them to use precisely the same plane-set not just the same map?  You can't expect people in there to cooperate in any way.  They are paying to be in there too.  If their regulars don't like what is happening then there may be trouble.


The positives of having the AvA setup for FSO, either current or next are better preparedness and therefore better events.  Small downsides that can be handled as long as everybody has their eyes and ears open.

[Shifty]

Originally posted by Dantoo
Would you be asking them to use precisely the same plane-set not just the same map?  You can't expect people in there to cooperate in any way.  They are paying to be in there too.  If their regulars don't like what is happening then there may be trouble.

The AVA is almost always a limted planeset. The historic plane matches are what most of the regulars are after to begin with. You'll find the AVA staff and most of the regulars will usually be glad to run a setup that will bring numbers in.

[doobs]

brilliant, I am