Author Topic: January 2007 is LA7 competition month (Read 3657 times)

B@tfinkV · « **Reply #105 on:** January 25, 2007, 09:04:12 PM »

man, i pretty much fly everything or 1 model of everything somewhere in some arena, i dont really know where anymore but i see colours and '8player' signs and thing go good from then on usually.

an you can fault me for flying anyone of them if i fly it in a ceretain manner.

Viking · « **Reply #106 on:** January 25, 2007, 09:16:55 PM »

Naw, if I can fault you for something it just means you out flew me, and that would really be my fault. I suffered my first shoot-down today since I returned to AH a couple of days ago. I was very angry with myself that I let that 190 ack-drag me.

Widewing · « **Reply #107 on:** January 26, 2007, 12:25:03 AM »

This debate about the F4Us vs the P-51s and speed and acceleration needs some facts.

At combat speeds, IE: 150 to 350 mph at sea level, the F4U-1A accelerates faster than the P-51D.

Time to accelerate from 150 mph to 350 mph in minutes/seconds/tenths of seconds.

F4U-1A: 1:37.17
P-51D: 1:38.31
F4U-4: 1:14.26

Max Speed at Sea level:
F4U-1A: 366 mph
P-51D 367 mph
F4U-4: 376 mph

Max Speed at 10K:
F4U-1A: 392 mph
P-51D: 406 mph
F4U-4: 398 mph

Max Speed at 15k:
F4U-1A: 402 mph
P-51D: 405 mph
F4U-4: 423 mph

Max Speed at 20k:
F4U-1A: 419 mph
P-51D: 423 mph
F4U-4: 440 mph

Max Speed at 25k:
F4U-1A: 405 mph
P-51D: 441 mph
F4U-4: 446 mph

Max Speed at 26k
F4U-1A: 402 mph
P51D: 434 mph
F4U-4: 453 mph

When facing any F4U, the P-51 pilot must guard his E like it was money. If he finds himself Co-E and Co-alt with any Corsair below 20k, he is in deep bandini. Taking on an F4U-4 1v1 would be a mistake at any altitude.

My regards,

Widewing

Edbert · « **Reply #108 on:** January 26, 2007, 07:04:57 AM »

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Originally posted by Widewing

Max Speed at 25k:
P-51D: 441 mph

Max Speed at 26k
P51D: 434 mph

That doesn't seem right...you sure?

TexInVa · « **Reply #109 on:** January 26, 2007, 08:34:36 AM »

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Originally posted by Widewing
This debate about the F4Us vs the P-51s and speed and acceleration needs some facts.

At combat speeds, IE: 150 to 350 mph at sea level, the F4U-1A accelerates faster than the P-51D.

Time to accelerate from 150 mph to 350 mph in minutes/seconds/tenths of seconds.

F4U-1A: 1:37.17
P-51D: 1:38.31
F4U-4: 1:14.26

Max Speed at Sea level:
F4U-1A: 366 mph
P-51D 367 mph
F4U-4: 376 mph

Max Speed at 10K:
F4U-1A: 392 mph
P-51D: 406 mph
F4U-4: 398 mph

Max Speed at 15k:
F4U-1A: 402 mph
P-51D: 405 mph
F4U-4: 423 mph

Max Speed at 20k:
F4U-1A: 419 mph
P-51D: 423 mph
F4U-4: 440 mph

Max Speed at 25k:
F4U-1A: 405 mph
P-51D: 441 mph
F4U-4: 446 mph

Max Speed at 26k
F4U-1A: 402 mph
P51D: 434 mph
F4U-4: 453 mph

When facing any F4U, the P-51 pilot must guard his E like it was money. If he finds himself Co-E and Co-alt with any Corsair below 20k, he is in deep bandini. Taking on an F4U-4 1v1 would be a mistake at any altitude.

My regards,

Widewing

I didn't know what part of this to quote, so I'm quoting it all.

I think I may be using outdated software or something (sorry spatula). I have the same kind of data, just different numbers, all at WEP:

Max Speed at Sea level:
F4U-1A: 364 mph
P-51D 368 mph
F4U-4: 378 mph

Max Speed at 10K:
F4U-1A: 391 mph
P-51D: 408 mph
F4U-4: 399 mph

Max Speed at 15k:
F4U-1A: 410 mph
P-51D: 411 mph
F4U-4: 418 mph

Max Speed at 20k:
F4U-1A: 417 mph
P-51D: 423 mph
F4U-4: 434 mph

Max Speed at 25k:
F4U-1A: 403 mph
P-51D: 439 mph
F4U-4: 439 mph

Max Speed at 26k
F4U-1A: 401 mph
P51D: 437 mph
F4U-4: between 438 and 439 mph

From what I've seen of you, you usually compile all of these numbers yourself, which would give you firsthand knowledge and the final say.
But I would like to point out that my quote of:

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Originally posted by TexInVa
At WEP, the F4U-4 has the clear advantage until, again, 3Kft, then the Pony takes over up to about 17.5Kft (Dyxlexia, should have been 13.5Kft. My error). Then it's the Hog again all the way up to 22Kft. After that, it's a crap-shoot. The F4U-1A looses alot until 15K to 16Kft. The only hope, speed-wise, for the F4U-1A is to catch a pony at sealevel or between 15K-16K. Otherwise, it's severly outclassed on speed.

is essentially correct, even to your numbers, other than the 17.5 really being 13.5 (and an error on my part in chart reading).

Widewing · « **Reply #110 on:** January 26, 2007, 12:08:49 PM »

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Originally posted by Edbert
That doesn't seem right...you sure?

\

Oops, I made a typo....Should be 439 mph at 26,000 feet.

26,000 feet is above the P-51D's critical altitude. Horsepower is now falling off. On the other hand, the F4U-4's critical altitude is 26,200 feet.

My regards,

Widewing

cbizkit · « **Reply #111 on:** January 26, 2007, 12:25:56 PM »

Wow, did the acceleration of all the non -4 hogs change recently? They used to be far slower to accelerate than a pony, particularly the -1.

(Might be time to take the off-topic thread elsewhere though)

squealer · « **Reply #112 on:** January 26, 2007, 12:27:04 PM »

I'm the best la7 pilot there is. Suckers:p

B@tfinkV · « **Reply #113 on:** January 26, 2007, 01:19:24 PM »

doubtfull as yet squealer, overlag is

B@tfinkV · « **Reply #114 on:** February 02, 2007, 10:25:25 AM »

Overlag is the winner!

you are a dweeb, well done.

pick new plane for febuary, you are the judge of films credibility!

SteveBailey · « **Reply #115 on:** February 02, 2007, 10:31:30 AM »

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it is essentially an la7 with much better guns,

Hogwash. If the pony had acceleration close to the la7, this might be a reasonable statement.

B@tfinkV · « **Reply #116 on:** February 02, 2007, 06:46:23 PM »

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Originally posted by SteveBailey
ramblerabbleblarla7uberrabbleblahcantflyponybabble.

SteveBailey · « **Reply #117 on:** February 02, 2007, 11:24:12 PM »

That's nice.. I guess that's what people type when they can't form an intelligible response.

I don't think, and didn't say, that La7's are uber.

I do not feel the 51 is essentially the same plane as the la7 except for the guns, as you have posted.

I disagreed with you, as many vets would.

BTW, I fly the pony just fine thanks... I do pretty good in it, have a lot of fun flying it, and have been doing it longer than you have.

Have a nice day, try to think pleasant thoughts.

Anyone · « **Reply #118 on:** February 03, 2007, 10:01:38 PM »

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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
Overlag is the winner!

you are a dweeb, well done.

pick new plane for febuary, you are the judge of films credibility!

hitech banned me again.... funny really because on the same day he made a change to the cap system, which is the reason why i got banned both times... so he admits issue by changing it, but still banned me.....

~~anyway, i choose 190a5~~

Ball · « **Reply #119 on:** February 04, 2007, 02:45:26 AM »

Damn... wish i had been here for this. Love the La7.