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« Reply #45 on: January 09, 2007, 08:53:34 PM »
The reason people hate the La-7 is that it catches their runstangs and run90s and run4Us. The La actually force people to fight for a change.

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I've never really flown the La-7 before...
« Reply #46 on: January 09, 2007, 08:58:43 PM »
so the plane is "new" to me in the sense that I've never flown it for any significant period of time. To be candid I'm a bit suprised at just how mediocre it is. All in all its simply not a truely formidable airplane. I'm curious how many who bash it have spent any real time in it.

Now i'll qualifty the above remark by putting it in the context of how I fly. I dont ever B&Z and rarely am over 10k for long. I am a decent E fighter and so I do take fights "up" when possible. Obviously if you simply pick you can land kills in any fast plane (Tiffie, pony, D9, 109K4, P47N etc) but the lala is actually "prey" for these planes in general.

Here is a general overview of some glaring shortcomings (IMO)....

1) range

Yes you can throttle back but it only has 20 min or so at mil settings. I've actually fought it whole fights at reduced throttle (2100 rpm or so). In the MA enviornment the limited range does matter...

2) moderate performance at alt....

It's not bad at 10-12k but its sweet spot is pretty low. So as you get higher it is limited similiarly to the tempest.

3) marginal elevator control at high speed. The bird seems to want to nose up at high speed and requires trim.

4) Marginal rudder authority in the vertical. Just doesnt seem nimble on the edge in semi vertical reversals...

5) very weak guns...I cant believe the number of  guys I've lit up who flew on. Usually I'd get the kill later if they died...but at least 5 of my 9 deaths are directly a result of having to "rekill" a guy (again I dont generally pick and run).

6) relatively poor visabilty/gunsight view. Not easy to hit at range or on snapshots..

7) marginal E bleed, the darn thing doesnt slow down well. That combined with the moderate control authority makes it tough against a well flown opponent.

Is it a bad plane no. Is it dangerous in the hands of a relatively unskilled pilot...yes. Is it an uber killing machine....not that I can see. All in all its about as good as a spitXVI which IMO is about the most overrated bird in the plane set. To me the B pony is as dangerous (or more so) then eother one of them....

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« Reply #47 on: January 09, 2007, 09:01:39 PM »
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The reason people hate the La-7 is that it catches their runstangs and run90s and run4Us. The La actually force people to fight for a change.


Uh, the La-7 actually forces people to fight the four or five Spitfires behind the La-7 ;)
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« Reply #48 on: January 09, 2007, 11:32:30 PM »
Yup, that too. Hovever if you find yourself in a situation with an La-7 and four Spits on your tail ... you're supposed to die. The trick is to never get in that situation. ;)

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« Reply #49 on: January 09, 2007, 11:36:04 PM »
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Yup, that too. Hovever if you find yourself in a situation with an La-7 and four Spits on your tail ... you're supposed to die. The trick is to never get in that situation. ;)


True, but as I recall, (in the old MA, anyway, have no idea about the new ones), I'd either be in a situation like that, or have nothing to shoot at :D

Anyway, I always had fun fighting La7's when I could find one that would fight 1 v 1, so if this competition gets some people to try them out and do that, great.  It's just I don't see how having a contest about landing as many kills as possible is going to do that.
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« Reply #50 on: January 10, 2007, 12:23:21 AM »
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The reason people hate the La-7 is that it catches their runstangs and run90s and run4Us. The La actually force people to fight for a change.


F4Us cannt run from anything faster than spit5 :rolleyes: (except hog-4) Only problem with la7 i have, 95% of them ever more timid than "runstangs and run90s".
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« Reply #51 on: January 10, 2007, 01:23:17 AM »
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Batfink, I don't really play anymore...  So take this for what it's worth.

But this little contest right here...  What are you trying to prove? .


how about trying to prove nothing and just doing it for the hell of it?
not every person has a hidden agenda you know, just trying to have some fun. now when so called experienced players totaly ride over that bit of fun i call them out to prove how easy the la7 is. only fair i rekon.

no offence taken of course vudak, and ive seen you flying la7s!!1
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« Reply #52 on: January 10, 2007, 01:45:17 AM »
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F4Us cannt run from anything faster than spit5 :rolleyes: (except hog-4)


Guess you haven't tried the -1a then. Just as fast as the Pony-D. Those rolleyes really suits you btw.

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« Reply #53 on: January 10, 2007, 03:24:09 AM »
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Guess you haven't tried the -1a then. Just as fast as the Pony-D.


You missed the word "almost" and same rolleyes smile, i guess. Ever F4U-4 slower than pony except quite limited high altitude range. Leave alone -1A which is generally nothing but slightly improved F4U-1 w/o some staff for carier operations, afaik. I doubt it ever faster than F4U-1D.
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« Reply #54 on: January 10, 2007, 03:28:55 AM »
at sea level it's faster than the 1-D

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« Reply #55 on: January 10, 2007, 03:38:47 AM »
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You missed the word "almost" and same rolleyes smile, i guess. Ever F4U-4 slower than pony except quite limited high altitude range. Leave alone -1A which is generally nothing but slightly improved F4U-1 w/o some staff for carier operations, afaik. I doubt it ever faster than F4U-1D.


The F4U-1a is a 1944 version of the -1 and is 1 mph slower than the Pony, and the -4 is much faster than the Pony. The -1D is the slowest F4U.

Speed on the deck:

F4U-1: 359 mph
F4U-1A: 366 mph
F4U-1D: 358 mph
F4U-4: 376 mph
Pony-D: 367mph

As you can see you are clearly speaking rubbish.

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« Reply #56 on: January 10, 2007, 03:54:02 AM »
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The reason people hate the La-7 is that it catches their runstangs and run90s and run4Us. The La actually force people to fight for a change.


Its the LA7 that does most of the running unless its part of a horde, upping from capped field or has no choise. I never fly any of the planes you mentioned but the LA7 still tries to run from my not so nimble A8 if they miss on the first pass/HO.

There are however some really brilliant LA7 drivers out there and they usually make sure i hit the ground first :D

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« Reply #57 on: January 10, 2007, 04:15:21 AM »
Yes the La-7 runs when it wants to, that's a given. However that is not why it is hated. Catching the others that run on the other hand... ;)

You fly the 190A-8? You must like pain.

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« Reply #58 on: January 10, 2007, 04:24:59 AM »
The A8 does not climb or turn well, and its not fast but that makes it even more fun when you make it home with the kills. :)


Manage your E well, use the decent rollrate and learn how to hit with 4x20mm + 2x13mm and its deadly.

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« Reply #59 on: January 10, 2007, 04:42:16 AM »
I'd rather take the 110G-2 for a spin. ;)