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Offline Kweassa

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« on: January 19, 2007, 12:22:56 AM »


 I could swear I've seen this pic before, but its slipping just out of memory's reach.. I'm having trouble with identifying this Fw190D.

 Judging by overall physique, it's definately not any of the Ta152 variant.

 The bulged upper cowl and the smaller supercharger intake indicates that it's not a D-11, D-12, or D-13.

 Therefore, it has to be either a D-9 or a D-10... except it's got 4x20mm armament and a hub cannon.

 The existance of the hub cannon might indicate that it is a D-10s.. except the only armament listing I've seen for the D-10 lists it with two inboard MG151 and an experimental MK108 hub cannon.

 I seem to recall that the Dora wings were always capable of carrying extra 20mms on the outboard as the 190A series did.. except for some reason the 190Ds never seemed to have prefered to carry them. That's why I'm thinking this pic might be a D-10 with just 20mm outboard cannons installed.

 My conclusion is that it's a D-10 with an experimental 4x20mm armament... Would this be a correct identification?


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 Incidentally, if the Dora wings were capable of carrying an extra set of outboard MG151s, why did the Luftwaffe never use them? Anyone know?
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« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2007, 12:35:22 AM »
190d-0
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« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2007, 12:37:05 AM »
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Originally posted by Kweassa

 Incidentally, if the Dora wings were capable of carrying an extra set of outboard MG151s, why did the Luftwaffe never use them? Anyone know?


I think it was experimental, but the reason maybe why they didn't take the extra cannons was to save from losing speed, or it was to save cannons so more could be placed on others being built?

I just did a quick search for FW190D-1 and came up with this picture.
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« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2007, 12:38:36 AM »
Same with 190D-0 like Debonair said.


Go to this site. Go to 3rd paragraph last sentence.
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It says "Small batches of Fw-190D-0 and D-1 preproduction fighters were delivered for service evaluation in Spring and Summer 1943, just as the American 8th Air Force was starting large daylight bombing raids." Maybe those 190s were fitted with more guns for bomber attacks? I'll keep looking.

Edit. Try this site. Click on Other 190 versions. Click here oh Clicker
« Last Edit: January 19, 2007, 12:48:13 AM by VooWho »
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« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2007, 01:25:44 AM »
From Monogram Close-up#10  Pg 8-9 state that this is the Fw190 V53 prototype (W.Nr.170003 coded DU+JC) photographed shortly after completion.
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« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2007, 03:40:40 AM »
"In the beginning only the Fw 190 V17/U1 and Fw 190 V53 prototypes were available for extensive flight testing. The V53 was used for performance trials at Lanenhagen. For the most part these confirmed the estimated performance figures. The V53's armament initially consisted of two MG 131 machine-guns in the fuselage, two MG 151 cannon in the wing roots and two MG 151s in the outer wings. This was the armament originally planned for the production D-9s. The outer wing cannon were later removed. The V53 was painted in a standard camouflage finish. At a gross weight of 4070 kg with ETC 503 external stored rack, the V53 achieved 555 km/h at ground level at 3,250 rpm (emergency power). During flight trials the V53 was involved in a heavy forced landing. It was subsequently repaired, but for safety reasons it was limited to low-level flights."

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/fw190/fw190d9test.html

So no hub cannon despite the hole in the spinner.

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« Reply #6 on: January 19, 2007, 03:48:38 AM »
Is it me or is that pitot tube all jacked up?
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« Reply #7 on: January 19, 2007, 04:05:31 AM »
Its normal. Even the Flugwerke A8/N has it that way. maybe it tilts downwards when gear is lowered?

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« Reply #8 on: January 19, 2007, 06:37:07 AM »
Many thanks to the eager researchers!

 Still one question I have, is the outboard 20mms cannons being left out of the production Fw190Ds. Was it just because of weight issues?
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« Reply #9 on: January 19, 2007, 11:45:52 AM »
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Is it me or is that pitot tube all jacked up?


I've noticed on some planes it is cocked a little inboard. Not sure why.
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« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2007, 01:44:54 PM »
"Was it just because of weight issues?"

I'd say that at that time it was concluded that for Dora's intended role 2x13mm  and 2x20mm was considered enough. Although giving added punch the outboard cannons are probably not worth their weight unless you really need them for something -and at high altitude you usually don't...

I don't think an official reason will be found in any documents so why not speculate.  :)

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