Author Topic: Anybody Using Vista? (Read 11124 times)

0verlag · « **Reply #45 on:** January 26, 2007, 06:08:32 PM »

prob going to use XP as long as i can, before switching to some user friendly and gamer friendly linux....

republic · « **Reply #46 on:** January 26, 2007, 06:18:35 PM »

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Originally posted by Roscoroo
If you guys take the Vista plunge .... I suggest you get a second hard drive

My thoughts exactly. Gonna dig out a spare drive I have and see how it goes..what works what doesn't etc.

It is amazing to me how I can run Windows XP and all it's apps on a Mac in OSX with Parallels...yet I might not be able to run XP apps in Vista. Bizzaroworld.

Wes14 · « **Reply #47 on:** January 26, 2007, 07:03:38 PM »

i was thinking of updating to vista,but from "listining" to ualls talk Vista apperantly uses a ton of resources,in which my pc doesnt seem to have much of:furious,and the fact 99% of the stuff on my pc probably wont work with Vista:furious

annnd i dont think AH supports vista,:confused: do they?

XP(for now):

Vista (atleast for me):no thanks

Mini D · « **Reply #48 on:** January 26, 2007, 10:53:04 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
MiniD, while I have never stolen or mis-appropriated any content, I would be suffering what MS has done in Vista. Example: Try making a copy of any HD content with Vista, even if you own it. You can't, if the manufacturer of the media decides they do not want you to be able to make a copy.

You're preaching to the choir. I'm saying that the current level of piracy on the internet is more than sufficient to justify crippling software to battle it. It's not your fault, it's not any one person's fault, but it is the result of several hundred million peoples' indifference.

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Orignally posted by MrRipply
You must be joking. The media industry has brought this to themselves... blah blah blah

Rhetoric is rhetoric no matter who is spewing it. Stealing is stealing no matter who is doing it. Using one to justify the other is why vista is going to be a flaming POS. It's amazing how much you can justify while accusing others of misdoings.

MrRiplEy[H] · « **Reply #49 on:** January 27, 2007, 03:41:10 AM »

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Originally posted by Mini D
Rhetoric is rhetoric no matter who is spewing it. Stealing is stealing no matter who is doing it. Using one to justify the other is why vista is going to be a flaming POS. It's amazing how much you can justify while accusing others of misdoings.

Stealing? The media industry is taking or HAS taken the users fair use rights away. That's a violation of every persons rights to enjoy music in the way and in the moment they desire to do - with legally purchased media.

They say you don't own the media or the songs on it - that you purchased only a right to use it. Yet they fail to provide you with a working copy of the said media and songs if they get damaged, you're forced to pay the license fee again.

They say you bought a license to privately use the song - yet they prohibit you from using it in computer hardware based players such as many car cd players, high-end home cd players etc.

You bought a license to privately use the song - yet they disable you from using your legally owned, megaexpensive high-end audio gear because s/pdif does not have copyprotection and it's the only digital audio transfer standard available.

You bought a license to privately use a movie - yet you can't play it in your megaexpensive HDTV device because it doesnt support hdcp but plays composite video without problems.

That's just the icing on the cake. They want to take away your right to record tv programming at your home for later viewing. They want to force you to watch ever ad that comes on tv, disabling ad skipping functionality.

They want to ****en own you and tell you how to use your money, hardware and time. I say **** them and their products. I'm not paying once cent for the crap ever again.

eagl · « **Reply #50 on:** January 27, 2007, 05:39:59 AM »

And that is the crux of the DRM problem.

In addressing the "problem" created by certain people stealing copyrighted material, and a much smaller subset consisting of those who are profiting from stealing and re-selling this material, the various big corporations have convinced congress to pass legislation that steals fair use rights from EVERYONE except the thiefs who are able to bypass the DRM, and those people who are willing to break the law to exercise their legal fair use rights.

This fails every test of ethical business standards around, according to my MBA ethics course. There are no possible arguments that can be made to justify the current DRM schemes and laws from an ethical standpoint, for the simple reason that the laws and schemes are not effective in doing anything but remove legitimate fair use rights. Not only that, bypassing DRM schemes in order to exercise fair use rights has become illegal.

This is unethical in the extreme, and it has nothing to do with justifying corporate profits or trying to justify intellectual property theft. Simply put, in an ineffective attempt to combat the illegal activities of some people, the fair use rights of everyone have been taken away and a simple attempt to exercise lawful fair use rights is itself illegal. That is flatly unethical.

eh · « **Reply #51 on:** January 27, 2007, 06:17:19 AM »

When I experienced the problems I was having with Win XPx64 a year ago, I installed a second hard drive, put 32 bit XP on it, and made my machine a dual boot system and waited for improvements to the 64 bit version (and drivers that would work). Some of those improvements have not come yet, and I hate XP64's crankiness.

I am hanging on to 32 bit Windows Home for a long, long time. I got about 8 years out of Win 98. Here's hoping ...

Y'know, I am beginning to lose my faith in an unregulated free market system.

jodgi · « **Reply #52 on:** January 27, 2007, 06:18:37 AM »

Bill has some interesting thoughts on DRM.

Krusty · « **Reply #53 on:** January 27, 2007, 11:34:15 AM »

He's just saying they don't have it "right" yet.... you notice that they're not controlling it, they're reacting to it. When Gates controls it and other folks reacts, I'm pretty sure he'll sit back with a big fat grin and say "we got it juuuuust right this time!"

Mini D · « **Reply #54 on:** January 27, 2007, 12:11:23 PM »

There is no such thing as "ethical buisness standards" as if it were some kind of guidebook.

I'm not defending Microsoft, nor am I blaming software piracy. I am saying you could see a cause and effect rising from this from a mile away. Piracy is the grandest defense on the face of the earth. You can cite instances of theft as if they were direct losses of revenue. It does not matter that a person would not have bought a product if given the choice, it only matters that they decided to steal it. The RIAA can throw massive numbers in front of congress and get pretty much anything signed.

Of course, the poor innocent victim (the software/copyright pirate) will insist that the quality and cost of a product justifies stealing it. Somehow, bands have gotten so bad that their music should only be stolen. CD prices have gotten so high that they should only be stolen. There are no other options.

The two sides of the coin are compimentary. You can't have one without the other. Blame corporations all you want, just don't pretend there isn't a large population of computer users that are equally responsible.

eagl · « **Reply #55 on:** January 27, 2007, 12:19:10 PM »

But I'm not a pirate, and my fair use rights have been infringed upon. Where is my legal recourse? Why do you blame me for the acts of the pirates, and say that the reduction in my rights (as legally defined in hundreds of years of precedent in copyright cases) is somehow justified in any way?

Mini D · « **Reply #56 on:** January 27, 2007, 08:55:58 PM »

Do you think speed limits are in place because of you are incapable of driving faster?

The actions of people that abuse systems always drive the creation of laws that impact people who don't. This is not corperate policy... this is human nature.

Brenjen · « **Reply #57 on:** January 27, 2007, 09:44:43 PM »

I'm afraid I'm with Ripley on this one. I'll add this; piracy is not the reason this is being done as I see it, it's only a means to an end for the entertainment industry as a whole.

As I see it they over-spent trying to molly coddle the "talent" & missed the bus on internet sales & per title pricing.

They were happy producing a 10 cent CD & charging anywhere from $15 to over $100 for their product; when it finally dawned on them that single title pricing & internet sales were the wave of the future & sales at brick & mortar stores were going to continue to slip away they were already in a bad way & decided to blame piracy for the loss of revenue instead of their own short sightedness.

Mini D · « **Reply #58 on:** January 28, 2007, 12:43:34 AM »

Stop nobilizing things.

Piracy is not the reason, it is the justification. If you cannot see this, you are as blind as you're accusing the RIAA of being.

Brenjen · « **Reply #59 on:** January 28, 2007, 01:32:26 AM »

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Originally posted by Mini D
Stop nobilizing things.

Piracy is not the reason, it is the justification. If you cannot see this, you are as blind as you're accusing the RIAA of being.

Are you referring to me? If so I suggest you read what I said instead of just going off on a tangent.

Read this & then read what you said right after:

"I'll add this; piracy is not the reason this is being done as I see it, it's only a means to an end for the entertainment industry as a whole."

Talk about blind; that's the pot calling the kettle black don't you think.