Author Topic: your salary - do you DESERVE it or does it motivate you? (Read 909 times)

Kurt · « **Reply #30 on:** January 21, 2007, 02:16:23 AM »

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Blooz · « **Reply #31 on:** January 21, 2007, 05:50:26 AM »

I deserve every penny I get and then some.

I've worked alot less and been payed alot more.

What I wouldn't give for a cushy office chair, a hot meal at lunch time, clean clothes and a clean restroom.

stantond · « **Reply #32 on:** January 21, 2007, 06:26:30 AM »

What I find motiviating is being productive. There is a saying I sometimes repeat, "if it were easy, anyone could do it", which is true. However, I am certain many people work harder for their salary.

All things considered, I doubt changing job locations would net a higher (adjusted) salary. Changing careers would be needed for a different salary. More often I find trying to get something done is much more challenging and frustrating, partly because it's not easy and few understand wtf you are doing. Now, if I owned my own business then growing the business would motiviate me.

Regards,

Malta

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #33 on:** January 21, 2007, 09:09:11 AM »

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Originally posted by john9001
people are paid just enough to keep them from quiting and they work just hard enough to keep from getting fired. So in the end it evens out.

In general this is a pretty accurate discription.

I've found most people are not self motivated nor wanting or willing to do more then they have to.

The best way to motivate people long term is to appeal to their sence of greed

If your an employer. If you want people to work harder. Either pay them for what they do.
Or give them the proverbial carrot to chase and reward them with said carrot consistantly.

Example. I had a guy working with me on a job yesterday whom normally when I have him work for me I pay $10 per hour.
Told him if we could finish the job yesterday I'd pay him an even $100.
End result. He put forth more effort and we had the job done in 6 1/2 hours
and I didnt have to go back by myself today to finish.

Being self employed. I have to be self motivated or I dont eat LOL
This guy is what I call occasional labor. Normally a decent worker for what I pay him. But experience has taught me that even if I paid him $100 for 8 hours right off the bat. I wouldnt get any more out of him then if I only paid him $80

Cracking the whip or browbeating only works short term.
And I find it only leaves everyone aggrivated most of the time.
Its worth an extra couple $ not to have to deal with the aggrivation
And everyones morale stays higher if the people that work for you know that you will consistantly reward extra effort.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #34 on:** January 21, 2007, 09:21:12 AM »

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Originally posted by Blooz
I deserve every penny I get and then some.

I've worked alot less and been payed alot more.

What I wouldn't give for a cushy office chair, a hot meal at lunch time, clean clothes and a clean restroom.

I wouldnt mind the clean clothes.
But you can keep the office chair.

Being stuck in an office. And being forced to wear a suit and tie would drive me nuts.
I've actually turned down jobs making more money. Witht eh only reason being I'd have to wear a suit and tie.
I'll dress well. Just dont ask me to wear a tie. I loath ties or anything else around my neck.

And I have yet to see a logical aruement for wearing one.
all that "it makes you look more professional and buinsess like" crap is mere rhetoric
Bout the only reason I can see for wearing a tie is to provide the wearer a convienient way to hang themselves when they completely screw up.

But its not just the tie.
being stuck in an office doing paperwork all day long would make me stir crazy. Not to mention board.
I need to be out and about

Tuomio · « **Reply #35 on:** January 21, 2007, 01:29:31 PM »

Somebody has to do the dirty work (how comforting..)..I deserve every penny i get..

We get currently about 300 euros extra per month, because of good progress we have made, surpassed initial expectations. Its so poor compensation, that it wont have much difference on how we work. They promised to double it, but still..Wont complain about it. From the employers perspective, they would be better off giving us material benefits (booze, events etc.) with the same money.

Shamus · « **Reply #36 on:** January 21, 2007, 01:44:04 PM »

A good example are the garbage collectors around here.

The city employees get paid by the hour and goof around playing grabass.

The private company employees get a flat rate per route and run. Was talking to two of them who took over a city route that took 8 hours, they did it in 41/2.

shamus

Sketch · « **Reply #37 on:** January 21, 2007, 02:36:54 PM »

I am military and don't get paid enough in a sense of what I do each day. With a move from Italy to N.C. and the money I had to pay out of pocket for expenses was nuts. I have one child so I am only allowed a 2 bedroom home, that is a big change from the trhee bedroom I had in Italy for 4 years. So, with all the 'stuff' accumulated over those 4 years does not fit in my smaller home, well I can put it in storage and the military will pay for it, but once it is in storage I can't touch it until I move. So, hopefully I don't forget to take something out. No reimbusment for me to fly home and pick up my car and drive here, just money for my port of entry to NC, when it took me three days to drive here, I get reinburessed for 1 day. Yeah our bills for electricty are payed for and my medical is. When I took leave enroute to my new base I slashed my finger open on some glass and made a nice trip to the ER, civilian. Eight stiches and an hour later I was out of the hospital and on my way home with a superb job done on the stiches, all for $300.00. Now a few years ago I slipped and broke my second vertebra in my neck and was walking around for 4 months like that... yes, walking around. In that time I visted the doctors multiple times, no x-rays nothing were done for 4 months.... great care huh? Now 2 years later I still have some bone spurs floating around in there, nothing is planned to be done. I would rather have fronted the bill and gotten fixed than live with the pain every day and popping pills for it. I work 10 hour days and rarely have a full weekend because of exercise whereing gas mask for 6-8 a day. Been deployed multiple times, been shot at, mortars dropped around my head, IED's going off around me and seeing people die in real life. Ever see a guys head vs. a 50cal.... guess who lost? These are things that guys in the military put up with... everlasting memories with cheap pay. K, rant over.... and just my opinion.

culero · « **Reply #38 on:** January 21, 2007, 03:04:06 PM »

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Originally posted by eagl
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So anyhow, that's the random thought that made me start the thread in the first place... the realization that I quit working for myself a few years ago and that this has negatively impacted how I feel about my job. I work harder, but it's because I owe something to someone, not because I particularly want to.

eagl I've had to struggle with that a little over the last decade. During that time I reached burnout with what I had done for 2 decades+ (most of it self-employed) and started down an entirely different career path.

I was at the point that you describe a couple of years ago. I'm still at the same job (well, same company, a couple of promotions down the road) and happy as hell now.

Part of that change involved becoming even more mentally "in debt" to the company (my wife had to suddenly have open heart surgery, the insurance that costs me VERY little as a benny paid 100% plus I took a couple of months off with the full support of my boss, fully paid). Yet, I began to realize that hand-in-hand with the fact I "owe" them is the fact that I really like and respect the company I work for - partly because its HR policies reflect the fact that the company values its people. That means that they feel like they "owe" me. When you have a two-sided relationship like that, its something to be proud of IMO.

Citizens like me appreciate what you do for all of us, sir. I believe your leadership does, as well. I think you can be proud of what you are a part of. Yes, a lot has been invested in you, yes its true that your honor means you must recognize that - but you've invested a lot of yourself and so far as this citizen is concerned you have earned everything you've received and then some.

Find some peace, IMO you're golden

lazs2 · « **Reply #39 on:** January 22, 2007, 08:46:48 AM »

when I was a contractor.. I often got money that was way out of proportion to what I was doing... worked good and bad tho.

Now... if I keep things running smoothly and save the city a million here and there... I pretty much earn my salary.

If you don't do it then someone else will so... it is always a personal thing... it is what you think.

lazs

Mightytboy · « **Reply #40 on:** January 22, 2007, 09:34:49 AM »

I am under paid!

When I hired in 14 years ago I was to take care of 100 computers and no servers. Servers we handled by a vendor.

7 years ago they asked me to take over all the servers and networks. 20 servers in 14 locations.

For taking the job I was to get a $6000 a year raise and a new title.

All I got was the title.

I was going to quit but my wife talked me into staying until our kids were out of school. My youngest graduates this year.

Sparks · « **Reply #41 on:** January 22, 2007, 02:53:09 PM »

Nowadays I consider my work, even as an employee not a contractor, as a strictly business relationship. I have skills / abilities that a business can use to make / maintain a product. The cost of me to do a job goes agianst the overhead of the product being supplied. Therefore if I am working I am going to get paid.
My skills have a market value based on supply and demand of the right people and the margin built in to the project. If there are few people and a big margin I will get good money; if there are loads of qualified people and no margin the money will be crap.
The trick is to try to keep yourself in a short supply sector and in a business with good margins.
The pay doesn't motivate me. Keeping myself marketable motivates me i.e. doing a good job and expanding my skills.
Likewise I have zero company loyalty - if the market is paying higher elsewhere and the company won't keep up then it's byebye baby. Companies have zero loyalty to there employees - if the accountants say get rid of you then you are gone - it's a purely business relationship.