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« Reply #15 on: January 24, 2007, 03:17:54 PM »
Whistling death is definitely a term used for the Corsair by the Japanese.
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« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2007, 03:26:01 PM »
My Grandfather used to call Stukas, "Those F__king Stukas", and it seems to have been a generic appellation amongst sailors in the Med.

I can see a book title there somewhere. Might even be able to sell it to the ADHD generation with a title like that.
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« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2007, 03:45:47 PM »
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Whistling death is definitely a term used for the Corsair by the Japanese.


My mistake, the P-38 was supposedly referred to by Japanese pilots as The Whispering Death.  

On a side note, the chances of the Japanese actually nicknaming the P-38 The Whispering Death or the Corsair the Whistling Death is pretty much a long shot and most likely the names were created by an over zealous journalist.  The same is also most likely true of the nickname Forked Tail Devil.


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« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2007, 04:18:01 PM »
The winning side propaganda is always the one that stays alive.. Anything wartime is to be taken with a grain of salt.



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« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2007, 06:13:38 PM »
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The winning side propaganda is always the one that stays alive.. Anything wartime is to be taken with a grain of salt.



Are you sure they're not just talking about the pilot there? :D Silent but deadly..


Boone Guyton was the Chief test pilot for Vought for many years. He is still revered within the flight test community.

I would attribute great credibility to anything he had to say.

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« Reply #20 on: January 24, 2007, 08:43:35 PM »
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Boone Guyton was the Chief test pilot for Vought for many years. He is still revered within the flight test community.

I would attribute great credibility to anything he had to say.

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« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2007, 10:22:52 PM »
Caiden the crap spewing deadpilot flying back to base italian lightning yb17 captain reunion LBJ bs mission fiction capitalist is a good read for fans of imaginitive history.

but what it really sounded like is no doubt...

"those F@!#ing stuka's"

that sounds about right for what soldiers and pilots would call an enemy aircraft.

these glorious and fear inspiring names like fork tailed devil and whistling death... I can hear them being uttered right out of some GI's mouth as that corsair unloads a sh@#load of bombs on a japanese position in front of him. the enemy wouldnt be glorifying the opposing sides aircraft.

its common sense you should be able to figure out what enemy pilots called our good old american airplanes by what you call them when one of those bastards gets on your tail... bastard or some phrase containing the word bastard with additional expletives or a variation of some colorful metaphor indicating the enemy airplanes questionable or uncertain parentage.
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« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2007, 10:30:10 PM »
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or a variation of some colorful metaphor indicating the enemy airplanes questionable or uncertain parentage.


You mean the questionable or uncertain parentage of the PILOT of said airplane >:D

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« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2007, 02:09:02 AM »
As I recall "Forked-Tailed Devil’" was used by ju-52 pilots in the Mediterranean. Those P-38s caught them often with out escorts, trasporting material to North Africa.
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« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2007, 02:09:45 AM »
While it all sounds cool and romantic, I doubt the Germans or the Japanese (either country as a whole) had any special nicknames for certain aircraft any more than the Allies did. Now the Japanese planes were given "code" names, single syllable names that were faster and easier to remember and say then the various actual model designations. For example while it is easy and quick to say, "109", or "190", or "110", it isn't so quick and easy to say some of the Japanese type designations like A6M, or G4M, or KI-67. So single syllable names made sense.

Sure, the idea that the Japanese called the F4U "Whistling Death", or the P-38 "Whispering Death", or the Germans call the P-38 "Der Gabelschwanz Tuefel" is enticing. But now some 60+ years after the fact it's next to impossible to actually state with any real sincerity that it is fact. The closest I've ever heard anyone actually say with any veracity at all is that some German transport pilots in the Mediterranian may have called the P-38 "Der Gabelschwanz Tuefel", at least that's what German fighter pilots supposedly said when asked about the nickname.

All that being said, what I find more amusing than anyone on the Allied side claiming that the Axis called any Allied plane any sort of nickname denoting reverence, is the continued attempts to belittle the P-38 without supporting it with real facts. But that's another arguement.
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« Reply #25 on: January 25, 2007, 03:06:12 AM »
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...is the continued attempts to belittle the P-38 without supporting it with real facts. But that's another arguement.


But this plane is ugly like hell :p

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« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2007, 05:05:02 AM »
FW-190 "Butcherbird", sidenote.

Focke Wulf had a tradition to give bird names to their planes.

eg.
FW-190 = "Würger" = "Butcherbird"
FW-200 = "Condor"

So "Butcherbird" is not a description of a special characteristic of this plane but an official name.

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« Reply #27 on: January 25, 2007, 07:09:36 AM »
I think its safe to say that unless  you where there its all based on speculation and hersay.

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« Reply #28 on: January 25, 2007, 08:50:45 AM »
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But this plane is ugly like hell :p


Yeah, well, I've seen those stick figures with hairy arm pits and hairy legs the French claim are beautiful women, so your taste in airplanes is also suspect at best.:t
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« Reply #29 on: January 25, 2007, 05:55:15 PM »
Some terms might be applied to more than one aircraft, here.

I recall the name 'whispering death' being applied to the Beaufighter...because of the sound it's sleeve-valved radials made during a bomb, rocket, or gun pass on Japanese troops.