Author Topic: Dueling Sabres (Of the F-86 kind) (Read 668 times)

B@tfinkV · « **Reply #15 on:** January 23, 2007, 09:04:25 AM »

seriously talented formation flying there.

what a beautifull aircraft

Boroda · « **Reply #16 on:** January 23, 2007, 02:05:30 PM »

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Originally posted by Debonair
( OMG VVS = PWNT!!!:aok )

I don't think I'll agree with this point ov view

Cthulhu · « **Reply #17 on:** January 23, 2007, 04:00:45 PM »

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Originally posted by Debonair
i thought worf had a T-33
i want a T-33!!!!!11

It was a T-33.

Gunslinger · « **Reply #18 on:** January 23, 2007, 08:05:53 PM »

DREWWLLLL!

anyone know how much this usually runs?

Debonair · « **Reply #19 on:** January 24, 2007, 12:27:55 AM »

iirc dual in the TP-51 is $3000/hr...and i was looking on controller.com yesterday & was wrong about F-86 prices.
there are two for sale, F-86Es, $259k & &250k
Mig-21 is $120k

Rino · « **Reply #20 on:** January 24, 2007, 12:00:27 PM »

I've seen Shipley do his P-51 routine but
haven't gotten the chance to see the Sabres yet.

The odd thing for me is that I never realized how much smaller the 86
was than the F4. I actually saw a pair of target towing F-86s while on TDY
to Tyndall in 83, but our Phantoms were a long way off, so tough to
compare.

Rino · « **Reply #21 on:** January 24, 2007, 12:03:08 PM »

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Originally posted by Debonair
iirc there r a place in CA that will do dual in a MiG-15 or 17, but F-86s are historic ( OMG VVS = PWNT!!!:aok ), so i bet u wont find that available without $2million to buy & fly your own.
i can get u some time in a shark mouthed eraly '70s C-150

No offense, but I got a chance to get a close look at an ex-Indian
Mig-21 and it made the F-4 look like the Concorde! What amazed me
was that Tumanski was able to make an engine to get that thing to do
Mach 2

Cthulhu · « **Reply #22 on:** January 24, 2007, 03:33:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Rino
No offense, but I got a chance to get a close look at an ex-Indian
Mig-21 and it made the F-4 look like the Concorde! What amazed me
was that Tumanski was able to make an engine to get that thing to do
Mach 2

This is true of most Russian aircraft, even the newer ones. Not to slam their designers, because their engineering is generally top notch, it's just that their manufacturing capabilities tend to lag behind the west. They usually have lower quality material and components to work with.

And as far as their engines go, historically the consensus was that they weren't terribly reliable. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if some of them have MTBF's comparable to a top-fuel dragster.

The massive Tumanski's back in the old Mig-25 come to mind. Look at them wrong, and those things would self-destruct.

007Rusty · « **Reply #23 on:** January 24, 2007, 04:04:13 PM »

cool vid.

midnight Target · « **Reply #24 on:** January 24, 2007, 04:10:18 PM »

Every year the chino PoF Airshow has a F-86 vs. Mig-15 mock duel. Very fun to watch.

Sabre · « **Reply #25 on:** January 24, 2007, 04:31:44 PM »

Who wants to duel me? Put em up! I'll fight ya with one paw tied behind my back! I'll fight ya with my eyes closed!:mad: I'll...

Oh; never mind.

Boroda · « **Reply #26 on:** January 25, 2007, 02:03:11 PM »

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Originally posted by Cthulhu
This is true of most Russian aircraft, even the newer ones. Not to slam their designers, because their engineering is generally top notch, it's just that their manufacturing capabilities tend to lag behind the west. They usually have lower quality material and components to work with.

And as far as their engines go, historically the consensus was that they weren't terribly reliable. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if some of them have MTBF's comparable to a top-fuel dragster. The massive Tumanski's back in the old Mig-25 come to mind. Look at them wrong, and those things would self-destruct.

F'tagn!

You are right about Soviet engineering, we had to invent designs that will be produced on prehistoric production lines with minimal quality. Like first MiG-15s that suffered from "valyozhka" (uncontrolled belly-up and dive at speeds close to 1000km/h) because wings had geometrical difference up to 15cm. On Belenko's MiG-25 Americans found a 5cm lug that they thought was an aerodynamical curve, but it was simply a production defect.

In 1978 when Soviet engineers inspected a Korean 707 shot down over Karelia, they saw a technology that was absolutely unavailible here. And by that time the last Soviet passenger planes like IL-86 were already in production...

We have such a concept: "engineering art".

Maverick · « **Reply #27 on:** January 25, 2007, 02:24:07 PM »

I'm sorry it took me so long to look at that clip. Great flying there. Thanks Golfer.