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Offline Shuckins

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« Reply #45 on: January 28, 2007, 06:37:51 AM »
Read the history of Chinese drug addiction during the time of The Opium Wars of the 1830s.

The British government fostered a dramatic expansion of opium use and addiction in China, where the use of opium was legal, in order to wrest political and trade concessions from the Chinese government.  Before this British sponsored program was begun, the use of opium was limited.

The Chinese government launched a vigorous campaign to clean up the opium dens and arrest British merchants involved in the trade.  In this, the Chinese government had tremendous success.

The British then began an aggressive military action to enforce their will on the Chinese government.  When Chinese naval craft attempted to intercept British merchant ships carrying the drug they were fired on by British naval vessels.  Eventually, the British invaded China and inflicted the most humiliating military defeat on China in it's entire history.

Among the many concessions wrung from the Chinese government by the Treaty of Nanking was the right to try British nationals guilty of breaking Chinese laws, (in effect, guaranteeing that such nationals escaped punishment by Chinese officials), and the legitimization of the opium trade and the public use of the drug.

In the years after the signing of the Treaty of Nanking opium use among the Chinese population TRIPLED.  Almost an entire generation of China's young was lost to addiction.


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So gentlement, don't tell me that increased addiction won't happen or that it can't happen.  It most certainly can happen because it HAS happened in the past.  All it takes is for someone to aggressively market the product once it is legitimized.  Steve's point about rampant addiction putting a tremendous strain on an already overburdened medical system is well-taken.

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« Reply #46 on: January 28, 2007, 10:11:11 AM »
And let's not forget the ones in jail for not paying fees, fines, taxes or child support.
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« Reply #47 on: January 28, 2007, 10:21:52 AM »
Ya know what...  the most popular drug with the most potential for harm is crank... speed.

There is not one person that wants it that can't get it right now... those who are addicted to it will do $2,000 damage to your car to get $25 for your stereo.

If you legalized it then we would simply be out less..

By legalized tho..  I mean do all you want own all you want... for pennies... give it to children... go to prison..  drive on em.. go to jail...  work on em... get fired.



shukins...  so this black woman who voted democrat to have my guns taken away and or restricted... she felt it was ok for her to have a firearm?   Sorry.. that isn't much better.

I think that democrat gun owners are probly worse than good honest democrats that admit they just want to take away my rights.

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« Reply #48 on: January 28, 2007, 10:50:32 AM »
what a crummy thing to happen Shuckins :furious :(




some of you talking about drugs.. alot of that was covered here:

http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=185638&perpage=50&highlight=legal%20drug&pagenumber=2
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« Reply #49 on: January 28, 2007, 11:26:28 AM »
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And let's not forget the ones in jail for not paying fees, fines, taxes or child support.


God forbid someone who doesn't pay taxes.  I say throw the book at them.  That's our tax money, right?
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« Reply #50 on: January 28, 2007, 11:57:59 AM »
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Restorative justice does work.

And all it cost me was one punch to the face.


Yeah, and all the flower lady in Dermott gave to the good cause was her life. That's nothing if you consider that the perp just might turn straight and perhaps even get an honest job at the McDonald's and thus contribute to the society.

They should hang his worthless bellybutton after the first offense.

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« Reply #51 on: January 28, 2007, 12:00:14 PM »
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God forbid someone who doesn't pay taxes.  I say throw the book at them.  That's our tax money, right?


The goverment has to tax us in order to have money for jailing us if we ever decided not to pay taxes.

Simple, really.

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« Reply #52 on: January 28, 2007, 12:13:23 PM »
Legalizing drugs would make petty crime go down? LOL!

You do realize this would mean that the people who steal to support drug habbits would just be able to steal drugs instead? Stereo theft would go down, car break-ins (looking in the glovebox?) would go up. Home break-ins would also go up.

Worthless members of society will be worthless members of society no matter what laws are in place.

People can support drug habbits while working. I've seen many do it. The problem is never a result of not being able to afford things, it's always a result of addiction or intoxication. Legalizing drugs would not solve any of that. There would be more addicts and there would be more homeless. There would be more petty crime.

The war on crime is actually silly. Establish real borders and make customs work and 90% of the problems are solved. Then you're just dealing with the grey market meth and pot. Keep it illegal so that people have some naughty vice to play with and everyone's happy.

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« Reply #53 on: January 28, 2007, 01:08:12 PM »
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You do realize this would mean that the people who steal to support drug habbits would just be able to steal drugs instead? Stereo theft would go down, car break-ins (looking in the glovebox?) would go up. Home break-ins would also go up.

 


I don't think this is accurate.  All we can do is speculate though.

What I do know is that no one has ever broken into my car to steal a pack of cigs off the seat.  Nor have they ever invaded my house to get into my liquor cabinet.  

I am not an advocate of legalization, but if it were to happen, you'd be able to go to the gas station, or at least to the local ABC and pick up a pack of joints.  What motivation would there be for someone to risk a break in.  

I guarantee that Philip Morris would add pot as a new product to their line, so what need would there be to go rifling through someones car to find it.

Doesn't make any sense.

Once again, I'm not an advocate, I just don't think that what you are talking about is reality.

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« Reply #54 on: January 28, 2007, 01:50:42 PM »
But all crime is to support drug habbits! Not alchohol, cigarettes or anything else!

The assumptions behind petty crime and drug use is simply astounding. I've noticed alot of people that really like using drugs seldomely are employable and steal. I know alot of 3-pack a day smokers that are still employed. I know alot of fifth a day drinkers that are still employed.

Why is it that people seem to think that somehow drug use is only supportable by petty theft? That is the fundamental fallacy in the situation. People that would rather sit around and do nothing all day are going to steal. If drugs are legalized, they'll still have to steal.

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« Reply #55 on: January 28, 2007, 02:07:21 PM »
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Originally posted by Mini D
But all crime is to support drug habbits! Not alchohol, cigarettes or anything else!

The assumptions behind petty crime and drug use is simply astounding. I've noticed alot of people that really like using drugs seldomely are employable and steal. I know alot of 3-pack a day smokers that are still employed. I know alot of fifth a day drinkers that are still employed.

Why is it that people seem to think that somehow drug use is only supportable by petty theft? That is the fundamental fallacy in the situation. People that would rather sit around and do nothing all day are going to steal. If drugs are legalized, they'll still have to steal.


If you were to legalize, say pot, it would then be in the same category as Cigs and alcohol.  That was my point.  It then becomes a readily available, legal drug.

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« Reply #56 on: January 28, 2007, 03:16:50 PM »
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Take it Thrawn.  Our system is messed up by judges who legislate from the bench and human rights activists who scream that felons should not be imprisoned but "treated".... law makers who make it difficult for the citizen to carry a gun legally when criminals have no qualms about breaking the law.

The judges and lawmakers are invariably liberals.... take it.



...all of which has nothing at all to do with my point.  


PS:  "Take it"?  What are you, a twelve year old?

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« Reply #57 on: January 28, 2007, 03:17:42 PM »
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But all crime is to support drug habbits! Not alchohol, cigarettes or anything else!
 



rum runners, moonshiners, smuggling truck loads of cigs from north carolina to new york to bypass the NY sales tax.

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« Reply #58 on: January 28, 2007, 04:24:59 PM »
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...all of which has nothing at all to do with my point.  


PS:  "Take it"?  What are you, a twelve year old?



Nope, but your tired old liberal drivel isn't worth any more of an effort

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« Reply #59 on: January 28, 2007, 05:51:11 PM »
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Nope, but your tired old liberal drivel isn't worth any more of an effort



Who knew that a call for decency was a liberal drivel...