A G10!!!!!!

[Krusty]

Originally posted by wrag
Don't try it offline try it ONLINE.

That is where I tried it.  

Long time?  Wanna time that?  10 minutes?

I want a ground pounder I'll fly a 110 of 190f8 thank you.  as to the G10 vs the G14  406 and 426 are nearly the same speed?

G14 = 406 (by your report)

G10 = 426 (by most every report I've found)

K4  = 452  (by most every report I've found)

G10 SHOULD handle like a K4, perhaps a tad better if 20mm hub selected over 30mm, but be about 25mph slower.   With Gond option preformance would of course suffer.

NOT about 50mph slower as in the groundpounder G14.

For TOD there is at this time a hole in the LW plane set IMHO.  A G10 would patch it nicely.

I didn't see this until now.

First of all, online and offline speeds are the same. Second, it took less than a sector to get to 400mph, and doing an average of 350mph that's less than 5 minutes. It took half a sector to get from 400 to 406mph, and doing 400mph that's about 2 minutes. Total of about 7-8 minutes after leveling. You only get 10 minutes of WEP so I'd climb up there without it. I started at an 8k field, and no I didn't dive to the alt in question.

YOU are the one that said G-14 was "mostly ground attack". I was replying to this comment. That is inaccurate. Sure it was used to haul bombs (so were 109Ks and G10s), but it was not dedicated to this role.

And finally the speed issue.

You state the top speed of the G14 is 408 and the top speed of the K4 as 450mph. What you fail to state is that the altitudes they reach these speeds are almost 10k apart! (G14 at ~16.5, K4 at ~24 thousand feet).

Up to the G14s top speed, the K4 is ****ONLY**** 20mph faster than the G14. The G14 drops off 17k and above, and the K4 drops off later. That is the only reason it has a higher top speed.

If you insert a G10 in there, you ONLY have a 20mph difference. Even if you split the difference between the two, you have a model identical to the G14 but only 10mph faster. Please click this link and compare the two. I posted it before but it doesn't seem you looked at it.

http://www.gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php?p1=109g14&p2=109k4

Note the very narrow difference between the two aircraft, all the way up to 16-17k? That comes out to about 20mph at sea level up to 25mph at ~16.5k. Adding a G10 would do nothing but give you a G14 with a higher top speed.

The speed difference is negligable below 15k, and I doubt you'd be flying it at 25k where it gets its top speed.

[wrag]

Originally posted by Krusty
I didn't see this until now.

First of all, online and offline speeds are the same. Second, it took less than a sector to get to 400mph, and doing an average of 350mph that's less than 5 minutes. It took half a sector to get from 400 to 406mph, and doing 400mph that's about 2 minutes. Total of about 7-8 minutes after leveling. You only get 10 minutes of WEP so I'd climb up there without it. I started at an 8k field, and no I didn't dive to the alt in question.

YOU are the one that said G-14 was "mostly ground attack". I was replying to this comment. That is inaccurate. Sure it was used to haul bombs (so were 109Ks and G10s), but it was not dedicated to this role.

And finally the speed issue.

You state the top speed of the G14 is 408 and the top speed of the K4 as 450mph. What you fail to state is that the altitudes they reach these speeds are almost 10k apart! (G14 at ~16.5, K4 at ~24 thousand feet).

Up to the G14s top speed, the K4 is ****ONLY**** 20mph faster than the G14. The G14 drops off 17k and above, and the K4 drops off later. That is the only reason it has a higher top speed.

If you insert a G10 in there, you ONLY have a 20mph difference. Even if you split the difference between the two, you have a model identical to the G14 but only 10mph faster. Please click this link and compare the two. I posted it before but it doesn't seem you looked at it.

http://www.gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php?p1=109g14&p2=109k4

Note the very narrow difference between the two aircraft, all the way up to 16-17k? That comes out to about 20mph at sea level up to 25mph at ~16.5k. Adding a G10 would do nothing but give you a G14 with a higher top speed.

The speed difference is negligable below 15k, and I doubt you'd be flying it at 25k where it gets its top speed.

E retention!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The G14 loses speed VERY FAST!  Perhaps due to all the bumps and bulges.

The K4 SEEMS to regain speed FASTER.

The G10 is a cleaner airframe nearly identical to the K4.

That 10 mph would make a considerable difference if the G10 retained E better then the G14.

G14 IMHO loses E quickest of ALL 109s.  And SEEMS to take longer to get it back.

G14 turns well, BUT.......................... ...

[tedrbr]

I'd have thought the luffenwaffle sticks would rather see a Fiat G.55/I Centauro before a G-10

[Krusty]

We won't get it. Only about 50 were made, most if not all of those sat in a factory after the switch. It's doubtful even a handful ever saw action, from what I've read. It just wasn't developed in time.

[Debonair]

u talking about the me-163, right?
i can't tell if you only use pronouns:furious

[Krusty]

No, that was a direct response to ted's mention of the G.55 Centauro

[killnu]

forget it.

[tikky]

here is how everyone reacted when they lost their 109g10

[tedrbr]

Originally posted by Krusty
We won't get it. Only about 50 were made, most if not all of those sat in a factory after the switch. It's doubtful even a handful ever saw action, from what I've read. It just wasn't developed in time.

From several G.55 sites and references.... think they all quote the same book:

"Around 130 Centauro were produced, most of them seeing service with the Aeronautica Nazionale Repubblicana in northern Italy"

"The Germans were very interested in producing the G.55 for themselves but the labor cost and manpower hours was too great.  A Fiat G.55 took 9,000 man hours to produce where it only took 5,000 man hours to produce a Me 109."

The G.55 was a redesigned G.50 Freccia (1937 production, about 780 produced, and one of best fighters in Spanish Civil War, also exported to Finland), which we also do not have in the game.

So, only 130 built..... only about 415  N1K2-J Shiden-KAI  "Georges" were produced, including all versions and the prototype, IIRC, and we see how prolific they are in the war arenas.   1,435 total produced N1K2-J Shiden-KAI, N1K1-J Shiden, N1K1 Kyofu floatplanes, and N1K 3 through 5's.

The G.55 was superior to the Me 109's, just too labor intensive to build in quantities, then their plant was bombed.  
In  it's favor, probably the best Italian plane built (was built and exported after the war as well), was a good bomber interceptor, and gives the game's German-plane pilots a treat .... probably for a small perk cost.  
And it's not another 190 or 109 version, where as the G10 would be.  I suggest it for variety in response to the original thread.

[Krusty]

I had read the 130-ish number as well, but I had read that, similar to the C205, more were made than saw combat. The logistics in Italy were atrocious, often when C205s were shipped out, only 1 would go to a squadron, and some would get none. I read the G.55 was even worse because it was right before the armistice that it was introduced, and after the armistice the production lines were .... inefficient, to say the least.

EDIT: don't get me wrong, I'd fly it often if we had it in-game. 3x MG151/20s and 2x 13mms!!

[USCH]

that is by far the funnyest crap i seen yet (german kid)

[Ball]

It is amazing how many G.55's have been found to be produced in the last couple of months!

[tikky]

bring back the G-10!

[Xasthur]

Originally posted by tikky
bring back the G-10!

[Xasthur]

Originally posted by tikky Bring back the G10

Leave the K4 in, though.