Tank Commander Binoculars

[Willfly]

Originally posted by moot
He means binocular-level field of vision.

Willfly, WWII tanks didn't shake sitting still, did they?
Which ones had periscopes?

     Obviously.....

Do some research on anything besides Wikipedia and you should see that some if not all tanks in Aces High had periscopes.

(All of this data is based on research so it is not my complete responsibility for providing inaccurate information.)
     The T-34/76 models were equipped with various versions of periscopes and sites:...
"The commander aimed the gun by a TOD-6 telescopic sight in the early production models. This was later replaced by the TMFD. General viewing was done by a PT-6 panoramic periscopic sight in early models and then by the PT-4-7 or PT-5 on later models."

     The soon to come Sherman VC "Firefly" had a very small periscope for the Commander which was attached to the commander's exit hatch

     The M8 certainly did not have a periscope devices but some called "Protectoscopes" were used...
"All shutters and hatch covers can be closed and protectoscopes used for observation. "
     The Panzer IV H possibly did have a periscope judging by a small petruding drum-like shape on the top of the Panzer but the Commander's cupola with it's 5 vision slats were used with a handy pair of binoculars
     The Tiger I had a similar drum object on top of its turret.
                       None of  the German tanks  in Aces High seem to indicate they had a  periscope but the Vision slats were used.
                       Overall, some tanks had periscopes, others did not, but binoculars could be an idea some consideration could be put into

[hubsonfire]

Originally posted by Iron_Cross
Zoom in and press F8(camera pan).  Then use your keypad 4-6 for left right, and 8-2 for up down.  To disable it swich positions and back.


RTFM



EDIT: for clarity and how to disable.

Note that only the T-34 requires this process. Why? Because tanks without mounted weapons used commanders who'd had their vertebrae bolted together?

[MWL]

Greetings,

  Before Binos, we need the TC Overide.  We should be able to rotate the turret while looking around.  This is done by either talking to the gunner via intercom or using the Cdr's Station Control Handle.

Regards,

[Mr No Name]

Binoculars could be handy on ships as well but i believe they would be good in most GVs.

[moot]

Willfly, I'm not doing any research, because you are asking that tank be forbidden to use binoculars, because you assert they would shake too much to be any use.
The over-ease of using something is incentive for omission, not (unhistorical) difficulty of use, especially not because of the game's rough edges in modeling, i.e. all tanks but the T34 riding on absolutely stiff chassis.

We can already stand naked on the top of the tanks invulnerable to any crew damage, while looking freely all around and above, so what would periscopes add that we don't already have?

The need for binoculars is to fill the absence of long distance vision that only the turret optics provide at the moment.  
Binoculars for the commander (or whatever they were) position would be historical in nature and function.

[CAV]

Before Binos, we need the TC Overide. We should be able to rotate the turret while looking around. This is done by either talking to the gunner via intercom or using the Cdr's Station Control Handle.

I don't think WW2 tanks had a Cdr's override....maybe very late tanks ie... M26.

CAVALRY

[MWL]

Greetings,

  I am not sure either, but if nothing else this would replicate talking the gunner onto the target.

Regards,

[Willfly]

Originally posted by moot
Willfly, I'm not doing any research, because you are asking that tank be forbidden to use binoculars, because you assert they would shake too much to be any use.
The over-ease of using something is incentive for omission, not (unhistorical) difficulty of use, especially not because of the game's rough edges in modeling, i.e. all tanks but the T34 riding on absolutely stiff chassis.

We can already stand naked on the top of the tanks invulnerable to any crew damage, while looking freely all around and above, so what would periscopes add that we don't already have?

The need for binoculars is to fill the absence of long distance vision that only the turret optics provide at the moment.  
Binoculars for the commander (or whatever they were) position would be historical in nature and function.

     Pardon me sir...

     Binoculars and periscopes are the same idea and I do recall already saying that either one of those ideas could be used. I never said the binoculars should be forbidden(But I did suggest the probability the vibration would be a problem, I changed my mind because the same issue applies to the periscopes), I do say now that whatever thing you use, binoculars or periscopes, they are the same concept.

[moot]

The point of binoculars is that they are hand held from the top of the tank, not restricted to a 1 ton piece of motorized metal.. you know?

[stephen]

that was the point yes, top open, commander exposed...even if only steady when not moving, itwould be nice to have a better vantage.

[Willfly]

Precisely