Universal National Service Act of 2007

[Gunston]

Originally posted by lazs2
the democrats need the draft.   The problem with being against the war is....

The people who are actually fighting the war are not against it...  no kerries throwing someones medals down and that sort of thing...   No crowds of ex soldiers and those who fear they might become soldiers to show on TV..

Nope.. the soldiers think the war is the right thing soooooo...  being against the war is seen to be against the troops at this point...

Not good for democrats... they need lot's of anti war soldiers so that they can say they "support the troops" by cutting and running...

The "cut and run" policy and "support the troops" at this point in time are at loggerheads with each other.

lazs

 Exactly right

[lasersailor184]

Originally posted by eagl
Korea has a two tier system...  They have regular military officer and enlisted, and their mandatory service (conscript) enlisted troops.  It seems to work out well.

A 2 year service tour would in my opinion cure a lot of social problems we have in the US, and it would return the stigma against those who run for public office after having skipped out on their military service.

Imagine that... everyone learning the true meaning of self discipline, honor, and respect at a young age, while gaining an appreciation of what it means to serve a nation that both needs your service, and protects your freedom.  Oh yea that would totally ruin everything!

0h t3h No3s!

Self discipline, honor and respect are things you need to choose to follow.  You can't force it on anyone.  Especially if they have no choice as to whether or not you serve.

[Sandman]

Tell that to Israel.

[Tac]

Explain this 'Selective Service' thing please. Im a bit confused.

[Hornet33]

Bringing the draft back is the stupidest thing in the world. Keep the military all volunter. Granted there are troops deployed that do not agree with the war BUT they did volunter to serve, signed a contract, and are expected to do their jobs. If they want out, fine kick em to the curb with NO benifits and be done with them. There are plenty more people willing to take their place.


15 years active duty and a combat vet. Unfortanatly I'm being medicaly retired next month due to a heart problem but I served to the best of my ability for as long as I could and I'm damn proud to say I voluntered for combat duty.

Last thing I want to see is a bunch of cry babies in MY military.

[tedrbr]

Not just military service they are talking about.

2 years military is one option, the other is civilian service.

So long as civilian service has a broad range, i don't have a problem with it, and am in favor of it.

Consider anything related to fire, rescue, medical, and law enforcement to be included.  Consider workers in the education system.  Those that keep utilities operating in emergencies and bad weather.  

Coast Guard.  Those that fight forest fires.  Part time and volunteer firemen, paramedics, and so forth.   WWII often exempted oil workers and farmers from service, as these were strategic needs.

Part-time national service could be volunteering to clean up trash, or be involved with building homes for homeless.   No end to the kinds of volunteer work.  

You put in your time.  All at once, or a little at a time until you meet your commitment.

[Shamus]

Originally posted by lasersailor184

Anyway, in PA at least, you can't get federal grants and loans for college without being registered for selective service.

You must have read about that...If you partook personally wouldn't that make you a socialist?

shamus

[Hap]

Originally posted by Hornet33
Bringing the draft back is the stupidest thing in the world.

I disagree though some of what I read in here qualifies.

All the Best,

hap

[john9001]

"civilian service "?  what your really saying is create 'make work' jobs for the minorities.

[moot]

Originally posted by Maverick
then again I am very much in favor of the Heinlein paradigm of service to grant full citizenship and the right to vote.

It's always seemed strange to me that there's an open green card lottery, but no opportunity to get one through service.

[Shamus]

Originally posted by moot
It's always seemed strange to me that there's an open green card lottery, but no opportunity to get one through service.

That is odd, that's how my Father got citizenship, resigned a commission in the Canadian army to become a NCO in the US army during WWll.

shamus

[Hornet33]

Originally posted by tedrbr
Not just military service they are talking about.

2 years military is one option, the other is civilian service.

So long as civilian service has a broad range, i don't have a problem with it, and am in favor of it.

Consider anything related to fire, rescue, medical, and law enforcement to be included.  Consider workers in the education system.  Those that keep utilities operating in emergencies and bad weather.  

Coast Guard. Those that fight forest fires.  Part time and volunteer firemen, paramedics, and so forth.   WWII often exempted oil workers and farmers from service, as these were strategic needs.

Part-time national service could be volunteering to clean up trash, or be involved with building homes for homeless.   No end to the kinds of volunteer work.  

You put in your time.  All at once, or a little at a time until you meet your commitment.

FYI the Coast Guard is a branch of the military....not civil service.

[moot]

Originally posted by Shamus
That is odd, that's how my Father got citizenship, resigned a commission in the Canadian army to become a NCO in the US army during WWll.

shamus

Nowadays, selling your bellybutton to a tour or three on some frontlines is just not good enough

[john9001]

Originally posted by Hornet33
FYI the Coast Guard is a branch of the military....not civil service.

coast guard is in the dept of homeland security.

[Airscrew]

Originally posted by john9001
coast guard is in the dept of homeland security.

I'm gona go out on a limb and say no, the Coast Guard falls under the Department of Defense.