Author Topic: When did the Cold War start? (Read 2505 times)

Squire · « **Reply #60 on:** February 02, 2007, 06:25:15 PM »

"Once again, do you know the real reasons for blockade of Berlin? The fault is on the Western side."

#1 Yes i do.

#2 He wasnt asking the reasons, he was asking when the Cold War started.

#3 I dont care what your latest ultra-nationalist ex-pat Soviet rant is about.

Toodles.

Mace2004 · « **Reply #61 on:** February 02, 2007, 06:33:12 PM »

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I am probably boring, repeating the same things again and again Just found a bunch of facts that noone can beat...

Facts...such as these?

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IMHO the problem is that "westernisation" turned into Coke and chewing-gum instead of free education and healthcare, with a giant theft-fest, when everything acieved by 200 million people in 70 years was given to a handfull of crooks.[/i]

So, you think that "westernization" means that you get everything free? I think we've identified at least part of the problem here. What you had was 200 million people indoctrinated over 70 years to believe the government would provide everything they need or want. Sort of like a great big ranch full of cattle.

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Genocidal policy against Slavic nations, deliberate destruction of science, education, hi-tech industry is what we have now. And it only gets worse every year, thanks to Comrade Putin and his gang. Anyway - he is better then Yeltsin, they mind their own profit while the old alcoholic simply followed orders...

And how is this the US's fault? Your system of government failed, good luck in cleaning up the mess it left.

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What questions? About shooting idiots who wanted to jump the wall? I think it's obvious. I want you to tell why _you_ think Red side did it. Hint: it wasn't because it was naturally evil and bloodthirsty, there was a perfectly sane reason for it. I'd say that if US of A was in the same conditions as USSR - they'll shoot everyone coming as close as 1km to the Wall.

This is supposed to be an answer to what exactly? You're saying that anyone trying to leave the great people's socialist paradise were idiots and therefore should be shot? Yes, you're right, a perfectly sane reason for shooting people. Oh, also we don't use kilometers, if you're going to try to dis us please use miles.

All this other stuff aside, I have tremendous respect for the sacrifices of the people of the USSR during WWII. The numbers lost were horendous and far more than the price we paid, there is no doubt about it. It's just a shame that your government didn't live up to the promise of it's brave people.

Hornet33 · « **Reply #62 on:** February 02, 2007, 06:55:24 PM »

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Originally posted by Boroda
"Free elections"!? LOL! Ask Italians, there Communist Party was not allowed to participate in elections backed up by American bayonets.

I already told the reasons for the blockade. Trying to starve a nation that did all the job in WWII both in Europe and Pacific (I wonder if you'll swallow this hook) was... hmm... unfair. You declare that you are capitalists, that money rules the world - and then want charity from the poorest to the richest?!

What questions? About shooting idiots who wanted to jump the wall? I think it's obvious. I want you to tell why _you_ think Red side did it. Hint: it wasn't because it was naturally evil and bloodthirsty, there was a perfectly sane reason for it. I'd say that if US of A was in the same conditions as USSR - they'll shoot everyone coming as close as 1km to the Wall.

And who were we trying to starve??? The Soviet Union??? In Berlin??? Please. Why do I think the Red Army was shooting people??? Because I have seen the pictures and videos of them doing it. Why did they do it? Because those people felt life would be BETTER for them on our side of the wall? Yeah that's a real SANE reason to shoot someone......inferiority complex.

But back to some of my original questions you still haven't answered....How many political parties were there in the Soviet Union? How often did the average person VOTE for their ELECTED representatives? How many protest were there against the Soviet Government in red square and if there were any how many ended WITHOUT the protesters being killed, or imprisoned for treason or "unacceptable political activity"? Were you FREE to leave your country any time you wanted too for say a vacation that YOU wanted to take?

What it all boils down to is that the communist idea is that a small handfull of people in power BELIEVE they know what is best for everyone under their control and will assert that control at the end of a gun if need be. Well forgive me if I LIKE being able to CHOOSE my own path in life. No one tells me where I HAVE to work or HOW to spend my money or where I have to go. I decide for myself what I will do with MY life. I have the RIGHT to vote for whoever I think will represent me best in MY government. If I don't like what they are doing it isn't only my RIGHT to speak out against it it is my RESPONSIBILITY to speak out against it without fear of reprisal. So forgive me if I stick to my belief that our form of governemt is better than communism. I mean we've only had our form of government for well over 200 years and it still works. How long did the Soviet Union last?

Vad · « **Reply #63 on:** February 02, 2007, 07:32:15 PM »

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Originally posted by Hornet33
And who were we trying to starve??? The Soviet Union??? In Berlin??? Please. Why do I think the Red Army was shooting people??? Because I have seen the pictures and videos of them doing it. Why did they do it? Because those people felt life would be BETTER for them on our side of the wall? Yeah that's a real SANE reason to shoot someone......inferiority complex.

But back to some of my original questions you still haven't answered....How many political parties were there in the Soviet Union? How often did the average person VOTE for their ELECTED representatives? How many protest were there against the Soviet Government in red square and if there were any how many ended WITHOUT the protesters being killed, or imprisoned for treason or "unacceptable political activity"? Were you FREE to leave your country any time you wanted too for say a vacation that YOU wanted to take?

What it all boils down to is that the communist idea is that a small handfull of people in power BELIEVE they know what is best for everyone under their control and will assert that control at the end of a gun if need be. Well forgive me if I LIKE being able to CHOOSE my own path in life. No one tells me where I HAVE to work or HOW to spend my money or where I have to go. I decide for myself what I will do with MY life. I have the RIGHT to vote for whoever I think will represent me best in MY government. If I don't like what they are doing it isn't only my RIGHT to speak out against it it is my RESPONSIBILITY to speak out against it without fear of reprisal. So forgive me if I stick to my belief that our form of governemt is better than communism. I mean we've only had our form of government for well over 200 years and it still works. How long did the Soviet Union last?

So many emotions, and so few sense.

You've never lived there, you've never seen that. Believe me, if you were there you would pray, bless and thank for what you have. Not because of KGB, NKVD or Stalin. Just because you would really be thank full. And for reason.
I know, it is very easy to say something like "I would never do that!". But it will tell about your IQ only.
Did anybody tell you that it is stupid to argue about taste of oysters with somebody who did eat them if you didn't?

mars01 · « **Reply #64 on:** February 02, 2007, 07:57:17 PM »

Now, I definitely understand Patton a whole lot better than I ever did.

Thanks Boroda, no history lesson could have helped me do that.

Fascinating. LOL

Maverick · « **Reply #65 on:** February 02, 2007, 08:23:43 PM »

Vodka, it's not just for breakfast!

storch · « **Reply #66 on:** February 02, 2007, 08:28:19 PM »

the sad thing is that most russians I meet and interact with are equally whacked. It's no use even conversing with them so I no longer do. I'm surprised the whole of the USSR didn't self destruct 70 years ago.

Vad · « **Reply #67 on:** February 02, 2007, 09:22:11 PM »

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the sad thing is that most russians I meet and interact with are equally whacked. It's no use even conversing with them so I no longer do. I'm surprised the whole of the USSR didn't self destruct 70 years ago.

What is sad with that? Believe me, most of Russians feel the same about you. But we converse, because we are well-bred and comprehended people.

Hap · « **Reply #68 on:** February 03, 2007, 01:52:57 AM »

I'm often ashamed of what I see written here. "America" isn't what I see today. Yet the facts say it is so.

So be it,

hap

p.s. I console myself with the fact that the sample of posters in here is small. Jingoism to the max.

Vudak · « **Reply #69 on:** February 03, 2007, 01:01:17 PM »

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Originally posted by storch
the sad thing is that most russians I meet and interact with are equally whacked. It's no use even conversing with them so I no longer do. I'm surprised the whole of the USSR didn't self destruct 70 years ago.

Storch... Go take an upper level geography course on Russia and the Former Soviet Union at your local college...

It's geography... Not really too political of a thing, so I'm sure you'll be fine with most whatever professor you get...

Just study the geographic problems facing Russia, and look at how the Soviet Union sought to create interdependence amongst the former Republics, and you'll have a better understanding of why so many Russian's these days seem to look back on the Old Soviet times and smile.

It does seem whack to us, but if you at least try to understand what their shoes smell like...

Penguins game on right now, but I'll be happy to give you some terms to google if you're interested later.

storch · « **Reply #70 on:** February 03, 2007, 05:43:47 PM »

geography course? some limpwristed balding ponytailed college preofessor?? I know the location of every country on earth and have visited far more of them than I care to remember. I've forgotten more geography than you'll ever know son.

Vudak · « **Reply #71 on:** February 03, 2007, 05:51:21 PM »

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I've forgotten more geography than you'll ever know son.

Well that's clearly evident...

You know, I wasn't trying to get you going. I was serious. Havin a bad day or something, Storch?

mandingo · « **Reply #72 on:** February 03, 2007, 05:53:50 PM »

when allies landed on normandy, preventing communist excuse to occupy all of western europe too

storch · « **Reply #73 on:** February 03, 2007, 06:20:49 PM »

there is no such thing as a bad day. that is an expression that the inexperienced are inclined to utter or type, as it were.

Boroda · « **Reply #74 on:** February 03, 2007, 07:28:15 PM »

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Originally posted by mandingo
when allies landed on normandy, preventing communist excuse to occupy all of western europe too

Exactly, trying to get your piece of pie when all the job was already done by Soviets.