Author Topic: LW Orange/ TA Vox deafness (Read 1664 times)

Simaril · « **Reply #15 on:** February 06, 2007, 12:04:01 PM »

Skuzzy:

Again at work, but I don't think I have that checked.

I guess I'm wondering if this is the right tree to bark up. I've documented that the problem is present on 3-4 computers, with 3 different accounts (mine, my son's old account, and my son's current account).* I've also demonstrted that the problem is always present when connecting through my home ISP, and never when connecting with the same computer with a different ISP at work. Meanwhile, spro has found no problems with vox when he uses dialup from the same computer that has vox problems when on high speed connection.

With all that, it just seems tough to argue that the problem is with a computer setting. It's present on too many machines, that have only the ISP in common -- and its absent with the same machines when a different connect is used.

AKDogg · « **Reply #16 on:** February 06, 2007, 12:22:21 PM »

well, in accordance to what u saying sim, I want to bet that your DSL/Cable modem also has a firewall built into it and might be blocking that port or ports that are required. I know my DSL modem has a firewall in it along with my router. the Modem I have the firewall disabled but not in my router. In the router I just have the ports opened up for AH.

Simaril · « **Reply #17 on:** February 06, 2007, 12:47:33 PM »

But Dogg, if the ports were being blocked, wouldn't --

1. The connection be prevented on my computer -- so port 4000 wouldnt show up? But, it clearly does! And,

2. Wouldnt it affect ALL vox equally -- send and receive are on the same port, but the problem only affects receive; and wouldn't all arenas be affected, since skuzzy says that the vox server is 4000?

Again, i'm not a tech guy but I've having some trouble with the logic. The pieces don't seem to fit for this being a port problem , no matter that ports are a common source of difficulty.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #18 on:** February 06, 2007, 12:59:01 PM »

Actually Sim, VOX runs on a different port for each arena. My bad for that one. The voice port for each arena is fixed. Unlike the game ports which can be very random.

Also, port 4000 (the TA voice port) on your computer is being opened by the client (the game). I just wanted to be sure it was being opened. It is not considered a hard error if voice cannot run on the client.

fuzeman · « **Reply #19 on:** February 06, 2007, 01:29:18 PM »

Mini-hi-low jack.

When I do the netstat -an it just flashes the result screen. What can I do to keep this up for saving purposes?

This a sign something else is going on or just a setup thing on my end?

Mustaine · « **Reply #20 on:** February 06, 2007, 01:34:19 PM »

Skuzzy, just an FYI everyone I know (whole squad, and others from the dueling ladder) always lose UDP the second we enter the DA, no matter who it is, or when we go in.

that has started in the past few weeks, but it is a recent occurrence for literally everyone I know.

VOX also doesn't work, but I'd guess it has something to do with losing UDP the second we enter.

llama · « **Reply #21 on:** February 06, 2007, 01:57:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Actually Sim, VOX runs on a different port for each arena. My bad for that one. The voice port for each arena is fixed. Unlike the game ports which can be very random.

I KNEW IT!!! I guessed this was the case at least a month ago. Thanks for the info Skuzzy.

*THIS* is why some arena's VOX is fine and other's aren't for you on these ISP's, if you ask me.

So here's where I would go.

Ask Skuzzy to list what the different VOX ports are for the different arenas.

Then go to the ISP and say "hey, what are you doing with Port 4000 that is different than port 4001 (or whatever ports Skuzzy says are used where VOX works)."

Then let the ISP figure it out.

I really think the ISP is filtering port 4000 in some way that it isn't for other ports, and this filtering is screwing up the VOX routines.

-Llama

Skuzzy · « **Reply #22 on:** February 06, 2007, 02:20:19 PM »

The ports are not cast in stone llama. We just got through moving arenas around to make them more efficient. The ports changed.

They can change when we change the size of an arena, or if we add an arena.

The thing is, the ports we use are all open for public use. That said, if another application happens to use a port we are using, or vice-versa, things will break.

Auger · « **Reply #23 on:** February 06, 2007, 02:30:13 PM »

I don't think it's a port issue on the firewall, unless the firewall is not stateful. My home firewall runs a version of BSD, with no special ports opened for AH2. I haven't had any issues with VOX or anything else in the game.

One thing that you may want to try is a traceroute to the arena servers using UDP. Windows tracert uses ICMP, but you need to use UDP and port 4000. I'm not having any luck finding a Windows traceroute program that both uses UDP and allows you to pick the destination port. In Linux, the command 'traceroute -p 4000 hostname' will do what you want. If you have a Linux test drive CD, like for Ubuntu, it will be able to do it. You could also download an ISO and burn a boot CD.

Auger · « **Reply #24 on:** February 06, 2007, 02:33:47 PM »

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Originally posted by fuzeman
When I do the netstat -an it just flashes the result screen. What can I do to keep this up for saving purposes?

This a sign something else is going on or just a setup thing on my end?

It sounds like you are running netstat from the Start/Run menu. Type 'cmd' in the Run field first, then type the netstat command in the command window that should be running.

airspro · « **Reply #25 on:** February 06, 2007, 02:49:35 PM »

Ok Skuzzy here u go , pic with "wave in" unchecked . All the other pics had it checked off .

And no vox in Training again with "wave in" unchecked just now .

airspro · « **Reply #26 on:** February 06, 2007, 03:14:20 PM »

Yep vox works for me in Training useing my backup dialup from same isp , just checked it .

Weird .

Simaril · « **Reply #27 on:** February 06, 2007, 06:47:26 PM »

My ISP said they do not block ANY ports between 2000 and 6000. Period.

And I just want to be clear on this -- I have had this problem for literally 3 years. In that time, according to skuzzy's post, the ports used by the TA have changed repeatedly -- but even with those changes, the problem ALWAYS affected the TA and nothing else. (At least until orange came about.)

Next, I have had this problem on four different computers over this time frame. They do not have much in common at all, except that they connect to the internet through the same ISP.

Now, the same computer that cannot HEAR vox (sends just fine, remember) in the TA can hear absolutely fine with a different ISP. Makes software port conflicts very hard to accept as the problem== SAME computer, after all. And, from what I understand, both incoming and outgoing Vox uses the same port.

If the same port is used for both, how could a problem with only one be caused by a blocked port????

I have poiinted this out repeatedly, and it seems to me that this combination of facts makes the port VERY unlikely (almost logically impossible) to be the source of the problem. I don't understand why folks can't either tell me why this logic is flawed, or talk about something other than ports!!!!

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It seems to me -- as I've suggested several times -- that the problem seems logically most likely to come from removal of a tag, or blockage of a things carrying the tag, that tell AH "this is TA received vox." I can't see how anything else could do this in this particular way...but again, I'm not a tech guy. I'm stuck using general logic, and unfortunately I can't see how these other suggestions could result in what we see.

Skuzzy · « **Reply #28 on:** February 06, 2007, 07:56:23 PM »

I would have to go back to see whane the TA was last changed. There is a good chance it has been there for 3 years, but I cannot confirm that until tomorrow.

The DA may be the other arena which has not been moved for a very long time. All the other arenas have been moved around recently. for sure.

And if you can go to a different ISP with the same computer and it works, then that pretty much isolates the problem to be in your ISP's network, or in your local arena network router. I am assuming you did not use the same router to connect to another ISP.

I beleive your ISP is not intentionally blocking that port. Howeer, they could be running some type of monitoring software which could be the problem. Is your Internet connection PPPoE based?

Mustaine · « **Reply #29 on:** February 06, 2007, 09:39:19 PM »

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Originally posted by Skuzzy
I would have to go back to see whane the TA was last changed. There is a good chance it has been there for 3 years, but I cannot confirm that until tomorrow.

The DA may be the other arena which has not been moved for a very long time. All the other arenas have been moved around recently. for sure.

And if you can go to a different ISP with the same computer and it works, then that pretty much isolates the problem to be in your ISP's network, or in your local arena network router. I am assuming you did not use the same router to connect to another ISP.

I beleive your ISP is not intentionally blocking that port. Howeer, they could be running some type of monitoring software which could be the problem. Is your Internet connection PPPoE based?

Skuzzy, would the ISP doing something really make a difference in like 10 people form various parts of the country / ISP's?

not trying to be rude, or callous, but everyone on the dueling ladder I have met with and everyone in the "Army of Muppets" lose UDP within seconds of entering the DA, and also not have VOX working from the get go.

I (and most of the others I have spent time with there) have not gone to the TA, soI don;t know if there is a difference, but I can assure you this happens every single time we go to the DA.

we have resorted to using Yahoo messenger chat to do VOX while in there, because none of us can get anything to work.