Author Topic: Stick-throttle Where to buy (Read 1142 times)

SNO · « **Reply #15 on:** February 08, 2007, 05:03:56 PM »

I mapped the views to the throttle hat and don't use the hat on the stick for anything. Still only touch the keyboard to type.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #16 on:** February 08, 2007, 09:31:12 PM »

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Originally posted by Odee
God how I hate.... ermm, envy you Drediok. That's like my old analog gear what passed on...

*wonders if voodoo can resurrect the throttle as he stares out back wher the mound of dirt is settling*

beleive me. I've envied alot of people who had full setups.

While I was always happy with this stick, And I still like the ovrall button layout even more then the stick Im getting. (I'd rather have extra buttons then extra hats on the stick)

This has been a long time comming. Alot of cannibalizing parts from alot old Top Gun sticks to keep this one going. Though I wish I had figured out sooner that you can upgrade the red pushbutton switches with ones from Radio shack for about $2 a pair alot easier then trying to replace that little box.

But we're talking literally years of repairs here.
All but one of the screws that hold the stick itself the part you hold onto are long since stripped and its mostly being held together with electrical tape. And Im my last remaining good 4 way hatswitch with is now superglued into place because the internal parts that hold it in place broke off. Same thing with the switch the trigger button presses against when you pull the trigger.
So. There are the final repairs I am going to be able to do to it.

Hell I've been threatening to get a new stick for at least two years
LOL I think I've paid enough dues to be deserving of a new setup now. Bitten the bullet long enough
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SIK1 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 09, 2007, 10:53:02 AM »

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK

While I was always happy with this stick, And I still like the ovrall button layout even more then the stick Im getting. (I'd rather have extra buttons then extra hats on the stick)

I've seen this statement several times on these boards regarding the CH fighterstick, and I'm kind of perplexed by it. I look at each hat as 4, buttons , even more with the option of mapping differant modes when using the CH throttle and stick.

I have more buttons than I can use on the throttle and stick and with the addition of TrackIR I have even more empty "buttons" on my stick.

SIK1

Blagard · « **Reply #18 on:** February 09, 2007, 06:03:50 PM »

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I'd rather have extra buttons then extra hats on the stick

I do not use even the eight way hat on the stick as a hat, I just use the positions as buttons as SIK1 indicated. You have to remember as well that each hat point can be programmed in many different ways to achieve almost anything you want except auto kill!

Action on press or release or both, single action or key held type response, key combinations, macro's, different commands on press and release, the variations are endless.

What you will be overlooking if you have not had the throttle with buttons before, is just how useful it is to control views with combinations of stick and throttle hat/buttons.

So keep an open mind on how your hands will work together and be prepared to experiment by saving different configurations as separate templates so you can go back to favorites and modify them a bit before saving as yet another template. I have got down to just one now with the occasional trial one to check out alternative ideas. The hats are so positive in action, the only one where you may accidentally hit an adjacent control is the 8 way type!

Half the time I cannot remember what most switches do if I am thinking about it, play the game and you end up flicking hats and buttons by second nature, auto pilot way!

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #19 on:** February 10, 2007, 01:40:32 PM »

Ok flew a bit last night with the new setup.

THIS is gonna take some getting used to LOL

I have to fight the urge to move my hand to the keyboard

Didnt do too bad overall. First flight I managed 3 kills in a 109F and still had over 100 Cannon rounds left throttle sure does help in getting behind someone and staying there.

I dont have all the stuff mapped out yet.
Hell I keep forgetting where I have stuff mapped out.

Im sure I'll be changing as I go along as Im trying to set things to where they feel natural to me.

The stick is very nice. much more precise.

Some initial impressions.

While I am able to reach the 8 way hat without much difficulty. I beleive the 8 way had would be better served where the 4 way castle hat is located. And vise verse
It just feels like it would be more natural there.
Dont suppose there is a way to switch the two is there?

Im betting all the thumb hats are placed on a single circuit board making that impossable

Ive seen alot of debate over the stick positioning High stick Vrs low stick.

I agree that it is easier to reach the 8 way hat in the low stick position. but the handrest is designed incorrectly for that.
While the hats are positioned for a low stick position. the handrest is is setup for the high stick position. and the two just dont jive quite right.

Whats needed there. and what I will add is not a way to raise the entire handrest up but rather just then back of the handrest (the part that is closest to the player) in the shape of a wedge with the wider part of the wedge near the player, tapering off toward the front.
I figure some self hardening clay will do the trick nicely and I will be able to customise this to the shape of my hand creating a perfect fit

The stick. with the exeption if the 8way hat placement overall is great though. I am sure I will get used to it over time

Other then the handrest position. the only other flaw I see in the sticks design is the lack of a two stage trigger button.

the trottle as I've said works great.

all in al the single largest obsticle I see is just getting used to the new setuip and remembering where I programed everything.
So I figure while I will have no shortage of kills my knife fighting is gonna be a bit awkward for a while.

Only problem now is I want a set of pedals.
which after this purchase I just cant afford right now LOL

airspro · « **Reply #20 on:** February 10, 2007, 02:21:36 PM »

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Dont suppose there is a way to switch the two is there?

No

Blagard · « **Reply #21 on:** February 10, 2007, 03:12:04 PM »

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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
While I am able to reach the 8 way hat without much difficulty. I beleive the 8 way had would be better served where the 4 way castle hat is located. And vise verse
It just feels like it would be more natural there.
Dont suppose there is a way to switch the two is there?

Agreed the Stick 8 way is too high, but now that you are experimenting, just try using the throttle eight way for views and a hat or button on the stick for staight up / down. I use the low 4 way for up and down. When using the throttle 8 way you actually have the up position for look left, down for look right, and push away to right for forward (all others are obvious intermediate positions). Believe me this is the natural way to use that hat! If it does not work for you, nothing is lost in trying.

I also found that mapping progressively helped. i.e. get your primary buttons / hats sorted out first and leave the rest unmapped for filling in once you get the important ones sorted.

Xjazz · « **Reply #22 on:** February 10, 2007, 06:15:13 PM »

DREDIOCK,

Check out the
http://www.ch-hangar.com/

Two stage trigger mode for the FighterStick
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=197864&highlight=stage

I have a small hands and I must use a ~0,5inch foam spacer to reach comfortably the 8 way hat.

Odee · « **Reply #23 on:** February 10, 2007, 06:53:55 PM »

Ya know, suddenly I don't feel quite so small anymore. I have small hands for a guy. So small that I have to buy womens gloves to get a proper fit. Yet I can reach all the hats, and buttons with no problems on the CH gear.

Makes me wonder if Drediok is altitude challenged, or just an extremely well spoken youngster.

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #24 on:** February 10, 2007, 09:15:31 PM »

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Originally posted by Odee
Ya know, suddenly I don't feel quite so small anymore. I have small hands for a guy. So small that I have to buy womens gloves to get a proper fit. Yet I can reach all the hats, and buttons with no problems on the CH gear.

Makes me wonder if Drediok is altitude challenged, or just an extremely well spoken youngster.

I have no problems at all reaching the 8 way. or any other hat It just doesnt feel natural up there. like it belongs there. And the handrest isnt designed correctly.

If I hold the stick as though it were a gun. My pinky rests fin on the hand rest. my thum reaches the 8 way perfectly. but farther back in the handrest there is a 1/2 inch gap.
when I make my adjustments I'll post a pic but what I am saying is to rest the hand comfortably and perfectly on the rest the back of the rest. that is, the part closer to the player. should be higher then the front part of the rest where the pinky switch is.

Minor design flaw really

By altitude challanged? I can only assume you mean height.
Im almost 5'9". 5'8 3/4" to be exact
So if you compare me to someone who is say 6'7" yea. Im altitude challenged

BTW Im 45 years old. a mere youngster to an 80 year old LOL

DREDIOCK · « **Reply #25 on:** February 10, 2007, 09:17:48 PM »

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Originally posted by Xjazz
DREDIOCK,

Check out the
http://www.ch-hangar.com/

Two stage trigger mode for the FighterStick
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=197864&highlight=stage

I have a small hands and I must use a ~0,5inch foam spacer to reach comfortably the 8 way hat.

Ok now take that same idea only instead of a flat peice of foam which raises the entire rest up and thus farther away from the pinky button. Taper it towards the dront of the stickso its thinner at the pinky switch.

Then see if that feels even more comfortable and natural for ya

Xjazz · « **Reply #26 on:** February 11, 2007, 02:58:36 AM »

Odee,
It's not question about do I reach the 8 way, because I do. It's all about how confortable the usage is.

DREDIOCK

The spacer is sloped a bit from pinky side. Other switch is my Saitek X35T throttles shift button.

Blagard · « **Reply #27 on:** February 11, 2007, 04:52:10 AM »

My MDF rest as it ended up to allow access to pinky button whilst raising the back.

GunnerCAF · « **Reply #28 on:** February 11, 2007, 10:10:44 AM »

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While I am able to reach the 8 way hat without much difficulty. I beleive the 8 way had would be better served where the 4 way castle hat is located. And vise verse

I know Grimm converted his 4-ways to 8-ways on his CH stick. The only difference between the switches is the plastic guide under the button. The 4-ways have a + shaped guide that limits the movement. When he trimed the corners of the guide, it works like an 8-way. I don't have a CH stick to look at, but I know it only took him a few minutes with a dremmel to do the modification.

Gunner

Blagard · « **Reply #29 on:** February 11, 2007, 12:50:43 PM »

I have done it on my old gameport fourway to convert to eightway.

I would not recommend this on brand new USB gear unless it is a proven modification that does not upset the CH CM Software. In any event not until the warranty has expired!

The guide is in fact like a diamond shape. By removing material from the slanting sides until it is nearer square shape it allows both switches to operate at the same time i.e. you remove the red area as sketch below.