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Offline Gooss

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« Reply #30 on: February 07, 2007, 07:39:46 PM »
I agree with:

Use gear to slow you down.
I use two notches of flaps to land.
I slow to stall speed and sorta drop onto the runway (from not a great height.)
Pull back on stick to lock the tailwheel.

No one mentioned yet:

If you feel a ground loop imminent, goose the throttle just a bit.  The torque stops the ground loop.

I've been messing with diving on the field, pulling a break turn on the deck, chopping throttle, dropping gear, dropping flaps and landing in one revolution.  

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« Reply #31 on: February 07, 2007, 10:24:20 PM »
I'll just throw a little "slip-clarification" in-

"here is a trick to slow down before a landing it is called a slip

for example go full rudder right while simultaneously going full aileron to the left

or flip it full rudder left while simultaneously going full aileron to the right

it is a good idea to do one direction for about 1 second then reverse cause if you dont you will do a barrel roll right into the ground" - Nickf620

When you do the slip, it IS generally doen with full rudder, and opposite aileron, but generally NOT with full aileron.  Go ahead and give full rudder, since your goal is to slow down quickly, but only use the amount of aileron needed to keep your flight-path oriented towards the runway.  If you give full right rudder, you'll give enough aileron to keep your left wing slightly lower than your right.  You'll also need to use your elevator to keep your glide-path correct.

If you need to reverse your slip direction to avoid a barrel roll, you are getting carried away with the aileron.  If you need to reverse your slip direction to re-acguire the runway, you're not using enough opposite aileron.

I use the slip for most of my landings, especially if those pesky bad guys are nearby.  I'll drop my gear, chop throttle, and enter a slip.  As my speed drops, I'll start dropping flaps, and when I get down to about 140mph, I'll cancel my slip and land straight in.  I'll use my elevator to adjust my glide-path, and throttle as needed to "stretch" my glide if needed.

I generally flare and hold it off the runway and touch down in a full stall at less than 80mph.  I usually brake to stop, but you don't really need to if you land slow.  You're stick will already be back locking your tailwheel, so I just keep it back until I stop.

The ground loop seems to me to be most prevalent in those that land fast, and then stand on the brakes to stop.  Heck, sometimes my tailwheel touches down before my main gear!

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« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2007, 10:40:58 AM »
Corsair 445mph to emergency landing - 1mb .ahf file


just as quick as belly landing and more stylish

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« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2007, 11:03:00 AM »
I've been flying the F4U-1A preferentially lately. Landings are easy, once you realize that the tailwheel is almost the ENTIRE source of the problem. Go in slow -- and I do what others have said, but I use full flaps, stabilize with nose up right over the runway, and drift her in (or cut a notch of flaps).

Once you touch down, pull flaps up (so stick movements won't get you airborn accidentally -- that Hog loves low speed!) and pull back on stick. That shoves the tailwheel in, and makes ground handling a simple matter of rudder and break.

For emergencies (VULCHER INBOUND!) Go slow, and when touching give full right stick and full left rudder. The wings touch down, rip off, and friction slows you very nicely for a quick tower!
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Offline Benny Moore

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« Reply #34 on: February 08, 2007, 11:13:11 AM »
Why is the F4U-1A so much better than the other models except for the -4?

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« Reply #35 on: February 08, 2007, 12:08:56 PM »
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Originally posted by Gooss
I agree with:

Use gear to slow you down.
I use two notches of flaps to land.
I slow to stall speed and sorta drop onto the runway (from not a great height.)
Pull back on stick to lock the tailwheel.

No one mentioned yet:

If you feel a ground loop imminent, goose the throttle just a bit.  The torque stops the ground loop.

I've been messing with diving on the field, pulling a break turn on the deck, chopping throttle, dropping gear, dropping flaps and landing in one revolution.  

Chicks dig gullwings.

HONK!
Gooss


Great Goose's......aka Geese...think alike.
 I gently give it a lil throttle on touchdown and gently come off the throttle once I've slowed. Stumbled on this on the way to the rearm pad. Forgetting i was in a hog and wanting to reach the rearm pad quickly I never touched the brakes and wa shocked when I realized it didn't try to spin on me! Don't need to touch the brakes until you're nearly stopped.

my 2 cents...

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« Reply #36 on: February 08, 2007, 12:49:42 PM »
hurrah!

I completed my first ever successful (aka, without breaking off a wing in a ground loop) powered landing in the 1A yesterday, as well as my first ever carrier landing (got that on one the first try).  

Thanks to all you guys for your advice, I found it very helpful, and would still be breaking off wings on every landing without it.

Thanks a ton, guys!

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« Reply #37 on: February 08, 2007, 07:36:12 PM »
Aww, Benny, they're all fun.  

Having four to choose from means never having to fly anything else.

The opinion of -1A superiority is not unanimous.  The -1A is my least favorite variation. I prefer the better visibility of the D-Hog.  I prefer the fuel distribution of the -1.  The Chog satisfies my cannon dweeb urges, as the 4hog satisfies the need for speed.

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« Reply #38 on: February 08, 2007, 08:53:44 PM »
You nailed it on the head there Gooss!



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« Reply #39 on: February 09, 2007, 12:45:43 AM »
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Why is the F4U-1A so much better than the other models except for the -4?


It's not much better, just a little better. Fastest of the -1 models, it turns as well or better than the F4U-1. Not only is it faster than the others, it also accelerates a bit better. Given equal pilots, the -1A will win a fight with any of the other -1 models. That having been said, they're all so close together in overall performance as to be simply a matter of personal choice. You will not feel like you are in an inferior fighter should you select a -1D.

For me, if I need to bring ordnance, I'll select the -1D or -1C. For furballing, I'll take the -1A.

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« Reply #40 on: February 09, 2007, 10:09:36 AM »
F4U-1A has been one of my planes of choice for the past few tours. it'sa  beatuiful plane, fast, rugged, ruthless gun package, turns inside pesty spit16s with appropriate flap and throttle work, what more could you ask for?

durn thing should be perked, it's a monster

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« Reply #41 on: February 09, 2007, 10:22:37 AM »
But what makes it better?  I mean, did it have a different engine, or a different wing, or what?  I'm wondering why it has better characteristics than later Corsairs even though I cannot see anything different that would affect performance.

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« Reply #42 on: February 09, 2007, 11:16:05 AM »
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But what makes it better?  I mean, did it have a different engine, or a different wing, or what?  I'm wondering why it has better characteristics than later Corsairs even though I cannot see anything different that would affect performance.



different setup i assume. same engine as the -1 i think, but aerodynamic updates etc make it faster and slightly more maneuverable, but both these differences are only in a few mph and a few and a few deg/second.

all the hogs are great fun and great fighters, -1, -1A and -4 being the best, speed and turn wise. the D and C are heavier and slightly more ground attack orientated

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« Reply #43 on: February 09, 2007, 03:22:03 PM »
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F4U-1A has been one of my planes of choice for the past few tours. it'sa  beatuiful plane, fast, rugged, ruthless gun package, turns inside pesty spit16s with appropriate flap and throttle work, what more could you ask for?

durn thing should be perked, it's a monster



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« Reply #44 on: February 10, 2007, 02:13:34 AM »
To know a Corsair means you have to fly a Corsair...more than once.

There is no secret to flying it...it is like anyother aircraft...but less forgiving of pilot mistakes. It is certainly not an aircraft for folks who are just joining the game, nor is it an aircraft for the occassional "joy rider" who wants a quick thrill. The Corsair requires a gentle hand on the stick, good SA, and a willingness to learn to fly it on the edge of disaster. After three years of flying it, I am just now beginning to understand some of the lessons I've been taught over the years.

Which Corsair?

Any Corsair! All of them will kill you very quickly if you don't respect them. All of them will get kills for you if you are willing to put in the time to learn them.

If you learn to fly a Corsair well...you can fly most anything in Aces High with a fair degree of skill, in my opinion.



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