Author Topic: Dumb panic is now A-OK (Read 3021 times)

john9001 · « **Reply #15 on:** February 10, 2007, 09:07:25 PM »

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thats because they know there are no guns in schools, only kids and unarmed mooky teachers. I don't think i have ever heard of a "whacko" walking into a police station to play shoot em up.

BTW · « **Reply #16 on:** February 10, 2007, 09:13:58 PM »

Hmm, I guess the only question is what type of gun do we give the kindergartner?

Sixpence · « **Reply #17 on:** February 10, 2007, 09:24:06 PM »

Oh, and Chairboy, while we are on the subject, those two kids are not in the clear yet. There are surveillance tapes at the subway station where the first device was called in, and guess what? They have the kid with the dredlocks on those tapes filming the police arriving at the scene, and filming the whole ordeal.

Gee, I wonder how they knew what was going to happen eh? They also stated they didn't know what was going on and the panic it has caused. What a tangled web we weave eh?

Maverick · « **Reply #18 on:** February 10, 2007, 09:35:48 PM »

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thats because they know there are no guns in schools, only kids and unarmed mooky teachers. I don't think i have ever heard of a "whacko" walking into a police station to play shoot em up.

That very situation happened in Tucson. One of the guys that had been a primary instructor when I went to the academy wanted to spend the last 3 months before retiring working the front desk at the main PD station downtown. At that time it was an open lobby with an uncontrolled door. Just inside the door was the front desk Officer. One of the usual downtown "characters" that had previously been harmless wandered in. She got inside babbled a bit then shot the Desk Officer. Fortunately Schantz survived the incident and so did the assailant. She was chased and later shot in the butt by one of the Detective Sgt.'s who had been near the lobby. Of course she was determined to be incapable of assisting in her defense and was not charged criminally.

Since then there has been a grenade tossed in the front of the station. That forced construction of a wall in place of the glass front of the building. Now visitors go through a metal detector and are screened by an Officer behind an armored poticullis.

I'm sure chairboy would say that the department was being paranoid about some harmless incidents.

Sixpence · « **Reply #19 on:** February 10, 2007, 09:46:23 PM »

Is there jail time for calling in a false threat?

Charon · « **Reply #20 on:** February 10, 2007, 09:55:08 PM »

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I used to be against gun control. No more. I am a teacher in a small town elementary school; I know there isn't a darn thing we can do to stop any crazy from walking in off the street and pumping a few rounds into some kids before he ends himself. And, sadly, it's happened all too often these last 10 years.

You can be comforted by the fact that far more children will be struck by lightening and killed this year than will be killed in such abnormalities as the Amish school shooting. Not to mention the enormously greater number at risk from mommy or daddy on a short fuse after a bad week. But hey, don't let hard factuality get in the way of emotion where my rights are concerend.

The odds do change somewhat if you count inner city violence involving 17-year-old gang bangers, but then they're not the type to obey laws -- firearm or narcotic or any other that doesn't suit their needs. In fact, every such shooting in Chicago or DC involves disobedience of the most rigid gun laws in the nation. Now, color me crazy, but I say that if we solve inner city social problems (or at least get some progress accomplished) then gun violence becomes much less of an issue. Of course, even in a City like chicago there are only 400 total homicides per year with a population of 3 million.

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Times change; when too many people abuse rights, then rights have to be limited. Sad, but true.

On our way to saving the children, please be sure to add the 1st amendment to the list (all those pedophiles and such, not to mention being the very motivator of those media circus shootings) and the 4th (identify the potential threat well before anyone knows a threat exists -- wiretaps for all!), since all of our rights should hinge on the small subset of the population that abuses those rights (vs stuff like individual responsibility and punishment).

BTW, at the school that had the panic, it was noted a student was found stabbed in a bathroom the previous year. Gang bangers kill each other with knives all the time, at least around here.

Charon

lasersailor184 · « **Reply #21 on:** February 10, 2007, 09:55:42 PM »

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Hmm, I guess the only question is what type of gun do we give the kindergartner?

Glue guns. Those people have to be messed up mentally to be able to deal with those kids.

Viking · « **Reply #22 on:** February 10, 2007, 10:21:26 PM »

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thats because they know there are no guns in schools, only kids and unarmed mooky teachers. I don't think i have ever heard of a "whacko" walking into a police station to play shoot em up.

I've always wondered about that. Why go on a rampage in a school killing unarmed children when you can have much more fun in a police station? How can killing defenseless kids be any challenge? And if you're going to kill yourself anyway why not pick victims that shoot back? Would make your final minutes a lot more exiting.

Anyways ... back to the issue of America losing to terrorism.

Sixpence · « **Reply #23 on:** February 10, 2007, 10:31:20 PM »

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if you are afraid , they have won.

We have an army half way around the globe because we are afraid of being attacked again.

So I guess they won before we even got there. Why don't you support our troops?

Masherbrum · « **Reply #24 on:** February 10, 2007, 10:34:30 PM »

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if you are afraid , they have won.

Damn right, seven words sum it up perfectly.

rpm · « **Reply #25 on:** February 11, 2007, 04:24:27 AM »

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Is there jail time for calling in a false threat?

I'm sorry, just where does it say they called in a threat? I must have missed that part. Of course the cops are pissed he was videotaping them acting like fools.

Ladies and Gentlemen, for the first time anywhere I'm proud to present the Mighty RPM Art Players:

[Ext] Suburban Boston Train Station. A crowd has gathered to gawk at police activity. Two young wierdos start a conversation.

Wierdo #1: Dude, WTF is going on?

Wierdo #2: Oh man, they're jacking with some terrorist thermonuclear device Saddam Hussein sent from the grave!!

Wierdo #1 No way!!

Wierdo #2 Yes way!!

(BPD SWAT team hikes past the crowd.)

BPD SWAT: HUT, HUT, HUT, HUT, HUT, HUT, HUT, HUT!!!

Wierdo #1 Holy ****!! Wow, I mean wow! I was just here 3 weeks ago!

Wierdo #2 No kidding, what for??

Wierdo #1 You know that underground marketing place over on South 23rd? They had me hang some lite brites for Cartoon Network.

(BPD Bomb Squad van screeches to a halt sending loose gravel flying thru the crowd)

Wierdo #1 Duuude, I'm taping this ****!

Wierdo #2 Sweeeet

Wierdo #1 Look! I think I can see the terrorist device!! It's got Duracells!!!

Wierdo #2 Coppertops? OMFG!!! It's worse than I thought, that's Al Queda's calling card!!!!

Wierdo #1 Wait, it's, it's...

Wierdo #2 What, what?

(BPD helicopter buzzes the crowd)

Wierdo #1 You're not gonna believe this.

Wierdo #2 Not gonna believe what?? And my name is Sean, do you understand that Peter?

Peter: Yeah, yeah I know...anyway...You know those lite brites I told you about? The ones I got paid to hang up 3 weeks ago?

Sean: Yeah? What about them.

Peter: Looks like that's what the cops are jacking with.

Sean: No ****ing way!!

Peter: Yes way!!

Sean: OMFG!! That's awesome!

(A random cop voice comes over a loud speaker)

Random Cop: FIRE IN THE HOLE!!!

Peter: I think I dated her once...

Sean: Dude that's awesome!!

Random Cop: IN 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...

(A loud BANG!)

Sean: There goes your lite brite.

Peter: Dude, it was for America and the American way of life.

(BPD SWAT team hikes past in opposite direction)

BPD SWAT: HUT, HUT,HUT,HUT,HUT,HUT,HUT,HUT!!!

Sean: Sweet!

Peter: No Dude, it's super sweet.

End scene.

Sixpence · « **Reply #26 on:** February 11, 2007, 05:05:46 AM »

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I'm sorry, just where does it say they called in a threat? I must have missed that part. Of course the cops are pissed he was videotaping them acting like fools.

They filmed police arriving. Read the article I posted.

"The photographs debunk statements both men made that they had not realized the guerilla marketing effort to promote a cartoon network program had sparked widespread chaos"

"Their presence at the first of more than a dozen calls from people who found the devices 'proves intent' to cause panic"

Gee, they just happened to be there with a camera when police arrived, what a coincidence!

C'mon rpm, it doesn't take much of a detective to figure out what happened, they called in a hoax bomb threat and filmed the reaction.

And i'll take a quote from his lawyer "that's what he does, he videotapes things"

You and Chairboy just can't admit you were wrong, it reminds me of an episode of south park:

Kyle: Cartman, you really were abducted!

Cartman: No I wasn't!

Kyle: Dude, there's a 60 foot antenna sticking out of your ass!

Cartman: I dont know what you're talking about

Shuckins · « **Reply #27 on:** February 11, 2007, 06:24:28 AM »

I'm with rpm on this. The Boston PD is just po'd because they've been made to look like fools on national tv.

Wonder if the Boston city government will ban the sale of Lite-Brites because they are a dangerous subversive device?

Kieran · « **Reply #28 on:** February 11, 2007, 07:20:21 AM »

I don't want to flog a dead horse.

If a news station catches a whiff of a possible school shooting in progress, they will descend on the school with vans, choppers, photographers, and reporters. That kind of thing tends to get noticed. When it does, some of the kids are going to lose it. Now as a school official you have to decide how best to deal with the situation. Do you try to keep the kids there and then face the wrath of the parents who think you needlessly endangered their children, or do you send them home and face the wrath of the parents who think you are being silly? I'd say play it safe. Even if you know there is no shooter, you now have to deal with the psychological damage done. You may not be aware of this, but some of those little guys panic over the monthly tornado, earthquake, and fire drills we are required by law to run. Imagine what it would be like if they see SWAT teams outside.

We have lockdown procedures in place should we get wind of a possible threat internally; not that they would do any good. If someone wants to bust into ANY school and start killing people, they can and will successfully. They are by nature open to the public. Every parent knows this.

What IS absurd is how this incident is being strung by the original poster to be related to the war on terrorism. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other. As far as I know, no Islamic fundamentalist group has claimed credit for any of the myriad school shootings we've had in the last 10 years. It is a completely domestic, home-grown problem. We are killing our own.

There is no way every teacher needs to carry a concealed weapon. No way. Can you imagine what would happen if a teacher shot someone? Can you really? The police are questioned every single time they shoot a suspect, and public opinion is usually against the policeman. The police are trained to use the gun, and more importantly, WHEN to use it. What some of you are suggesting is allowing someone untrained in even the rudiments of law enforcement to carry a gun, and allowing tacit approval to shoot "when the conditions call for it". You think that is sane? Really?

Hey, I hate the idea of giving up freedoms, I really do. However that gives me no excuse to stick my head in the sand and ignore what I see going on around me.

Shuckins · « **Reply #29 on:** February 11, 2007, 08:31:35 AM »

Balderdash Kieran. How do you think the Israelis maintain security in their schools?

I'll tell you how....it's really very simple. They arm their school personnel. They are NOT untrained boobs who don't know a threat when they see it. Those teachers and the school children under their supervision are trained in emergency procedures for those times when a terrorists might enter the school and start shooting.

They Fight Back. And Win.

Here in the U.S., we eulogize the heroic teachers who shield their students in such situations with their own bodies......

......which is a pity since they have NO other options.

The tragedy at Columbine could have been rendered a LOT less bloody by a couple of steely-eyed teachers with nothing more than .22 caliber pistols.