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Offline Shuckins

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« on: February 13, 2007, 08:04:39 AM »
My only excuse for starting this thread is that I've been ill for about three days with little to do.  So I decided to do a little investigating into the costs of converting the U.S. to alternative energy sources.

So here goes.

The world's largest solar power station is currently being constructed in southern Portugal.  It will contain 52,000 photovoltaic modules producing 11 megawatts of electrical power.

The station will cover 60 hectares of land equivalent to 6000 square acres and will provide power for approximately 21,000 family homes.

A 200 watt solar panel costs approximately $1000, excluding installation charges.

If that price holds true for the wattage produced by that station, and I realize it might produce electricity cheaper than a standard solar panel, the cost of the station would be around $55,000,000.

Assuming that there are approximately 75-100 million households in the United States....and figuring for our purposes with the larger number....it would take 4,761 such stations to power all the homes in the United States.

The stations would cover approximately 29,000,000 acres and cost approximately $262,000,000,000 to build.

These figures do not take into consideration the number of such stations that would have to be built to supply electrical power for the nation's industrial needs.


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How about it?  Any other costs of converting to other power sources that can be reasonably quantified....even if certain assumptions and guestimations have to be made?

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« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2007, 08:11:31 AM »
You didn't factor the economies of scale (note that I've no idea how to do so :D)

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« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2007, 08:16:56 AM »
And you forgot to add in the price of union labor.
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« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2007, 08:21:39 AM »
Well....if I had factored in union labor we would be talking about costs that would be an order of magnitude greater than those I cited.

That would be too frightening to contemplate....especially for those with weak constitutions.

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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2007, 08:35:18 AM »
that is unless you are a member of the IBEW or more importantly it's leadership.

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« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2007, 08:43:19 AM »
Wait... You mean you were at home LEARNING SOMETHING?

Good thing you're not in Germany...  They'd bust down the door and toss you in a mental instutution.  Twice in one week.  Really.

http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/feb/07020502.html

And here, the follow-up since it's not over:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54185

ORDNUNG!  There will be no education except what is taught by the state!  You will comply and report to the re-education camp!  Heil...er... we can't say his name because of that OTHER law, but it starts with an H!!!!!  Now burn these history books!  ACHTUNG!
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« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2007, 08:46:00 AM »
in the near future we will have solar panels using focused mirror that will be on the order of 80% efficient...   instead of the 5% or so we have now...

It would be good to offer a billion dollar prize for whoever got there first.   It would then be a matter of two four by 8 foot panels providing juice for the entire house and there would be no need to have large power plants..

or... you could panic and have the government build large, useless arrays like the ones mentioned that would become obsolete and cost money to tear down in 10 years or so.

al gore and the chicken littles here would prefer the latter.  I would prefer the former.

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« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2007, 08:47:26 AM »
Cost of doing nothing: Priceless.
Labour costs in Portugal:  < 0.00000000000000002 c / hour.

These figures might not be accurate, but...
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« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2007, 08:48:00 AM »
Man.............just think of all the nasty old greenhouse gases that would be put into the air in an attempt to take on such a project.  All the trees that would fall by the wayside.
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« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2007, 08:48:24 AM »
is that why they can afford the extra vowel?

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« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2007, 08:54:18 AM »
lol

Yes, the ONLY thing that will help is solar energy apparently.

Boy, only took three days to figure that one out.

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« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2007, 08:59:43 AM »
no curval... but if you want to produce electricity with solar then it is better to spend the money getting decent solar panels than it is to simply mandate or give rebates for every piece of crap that gets bolted to a roof.

Offer prize money for producing cheap clean electrical power.  Kill the power plants that burn fossil fuel and make charging a run around electric almost free.

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« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2007, 09:02:42 AM »
Actually Curve....I've just been ILL for 3 days...it didn't take me that long to come up with those figures.  I did THAT this morning.


How about getting into the spirit of the thread.  Research one of your favorite solutions to combatting global warming and estimate the total cost.

Or don't you think you're up to the task?  :D

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« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2007, 09:11:53 AM »
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Originally posted by lazs2
no curval... but if you want to produce electricity with solar then it is better to spend the money getting decent solar panels than it is to simply mandate or give rebates for every piece of crap that gets bolted to a roof.

Offer prize money for producing cheap clean electrical power.  Kill the power plants that burn fossil fuel and make charging a run around electric almost free.

lazs


I agree with you actually, as bizarre as that may be.
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« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2007, 09:17:31 AM »
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Originally posted by Shuckins
How about getting into the spirit of the thread.  Research one of your favorite solutions to combatting global warming and estimate the total cost.

Or don't you think you're up to the task?  :D


Took five minutes, although I don't have a cost figure:

http://www.theroyalgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060214/NEWS/102140147

Hope you are feeling better.
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