p47 vs p51?

[Sincraft]

Ok, I suk at this game but am getting better.  Landed several multi kills tonight and didn't die till my 10 sorte.  

However, this is all due to my Yak or my p-47.

I've still been unable to land kills in a p51 no matter how I change the conv settings.

Anyone feel the yak and the p47 is much better than the p51, or is it just a matter of personal preference?

The yak seems much faster and smoother.  Much better pick up and go when needed to leave on bingo.   No wep though that I could find.

Anyway, just also wanted to say THANKS to many of you that have given me links and input on this game.  I read as much as I can in the limited time I have, and did adjust my view settings to check my 6 much easier and view more area.  Conv settings for me are still up in the air but I'll learn over time I'm sure.

Right now, I think I'm sticking to the yak and the p47 although I dont see many flying the p47 honestly.  Why is that?

S

[Spatula]

Which P51 are we talking about? B or D?

I've still been unable to land kills in a p51 no matter how I change the conv settings.

On the D i got 300 yrds. 6x50 cals are a excellent guns package. They do lack the 1-ping insta-death of some cannons, but they are still brutal when you know how to use em. The jugs 8 50cals are a MADMAN!

Anyone feel the yak and the p47 is much better than the p51, or is it just a matter of personal preference?

You need to think more relatively. Each plane has its strengths and weaknesses. Eg, a P47 will eat a yak and P51-D for breakfast up high (16K+) The P51-B is a much better match for anything up high than its D counterpart. Conversly the P51-D is better at mid altitudes than either the yak or the P47. And again it all depends on what you mean by 'better'...

The yak seems much faster and smoother. Much better pick up

Yes the yak has brilliant acceleration and typically out accelerate all jugs and all mustangs especially down low (<7K). The Yak is slower than the D mustang on MIL power below 7K and thats about it. The D mustang is faster all other conditions. The B mustang eats the yak above 13k.  Jugs don't have very good acceleration in general (but get better up very high).

No wep though that I could find.

Yak 9u has no WEP.

Right now, I think I'm sticking to the yak and the p47

If you wanna mix it up down low (<10k) take the yak if you can live with its short legs. If ya wanna do some high-alt stuff the Jug is a good option. The P51-D is a damned fine all-rounder not to be underestimated! If i was you id stick to the D pony - but thats the pony dweeb in me speaking...

[Sincraft]

VERY well said!  Thanks!

yes i totally forgot about alt difference on certain planes.

Been awhile since I was into all of this.  I have pilots in my family and we talk about fighters occasionally but it has been awhile.  

I do enjoy the 47 down low...esp for rockets, and bombs then - being able to use 8 guns  I scored a 4 kill sorte with it.

The yak I use down low also.  It pulls away from the best of them, even some diving on me when I am bingo.

I don't see many high alt fights going on.  When I first started, that's the first thing I did, if I knew a fight was close to base, I would head the opposite direction and gain super alt...only to have to bleed it HORRIBLY to get into the battle enough to even land a few drive by hits.

I'm going to keep workign with the p51 as like I said, it may just be me.  I don't expect it to be the best turn fighter or the best for bnz, but it does seem to do both OK.  
The only thing I do not like is the lack of power coming out of a turn or a sustained turn battle.  The yak seems to give me that what I need.


I hate the yaks' lack of ammo though, although I did have a 3 kill sorte in it tonight, the first kill was an insta death..second I hit the guy he got scared and turned into a mountain, and the 3rd I had to spray every bit of ammo..then he finally lost enough control surfaces and bit it running home.

Thanks for the input.  I have to look around for a more comprehensive plane guide I guess.  Somethign that will tell me all of this in writting so I can pick and choose.  

I see alot of 109s and 190s on 'the other teams' but not many rooks flying them.  Wonder why?  My fav turn fighter in ww2online was a 109e

[SteveBailey]

I do ok in the D stang but those good jug pilots can give anyone fits with their rolls... similar(but not same) as a good hog pilot.

As for which one is better:  the one that is better is the one you have the most fun in.

Eventually it comes down to the pilot.  jug vs pony could go either way, all things being equal.

Yak vs either, at least in MA alts, Yak should win(1v1).  However, in the MA, with flight times and  multiple bogies, the jug and pony have an edge, IMHO.*

I will say that for me, as a D stang stick, an excellent jug pilot is a harder fight than the same yak or pony.  FWIW


* It's ok to feel differently, remember, it's what you like. Ask 100 people the what and why of your question and you'll get many many different answers.

[BaNaNa BoY]

Originally posted by Sincraft

Right now, I think I'm sticking to the yak and the p47 although I dont see many flying the p47 honestly.  Why is that?

S

Because many claim it to be a "pig" and dont like the attention it recieves...

everyone will always pick on the p47 and always autmatically think easy kill...That is until they find themselves in its gunsights:t

Its not very manuverable if U dont know throttle management and flap control...it also doesnt have very good climb..once it loses its E it takes a while to get it back... and since 94% of the MA population dont have the patience and tend to get frustrated easily they tend to give up on it rather quickly.. I love it though... I feel like i have inlimited ammo somtimes

[Treize69]

If you wanna figure out the Mustang, wing with me for a few. I've just started flying it extensively in the past month or two, but I'm really enjoying it and would be glad to help out someone else who wants to learn it.

FYI I mainly fly the P-51B, seem to do much better in it more consistently for some reason (as of typing this I'm at 198 kills for 55 deaths in it) than I do with the D (74 kills for 19 deaths). Had a 10-kill run in it tonight until I was nailed trying to get home with 8 rounds and about 25 gallons of gas left. (just had to stick around for that 10th kill...)

Look me up in the Late War, I fly rook. Nowhere near the best stick, but I like to help out and enjoy teaching a willing student.

[Saxman]

It's all a matter of how you fly, as different aircraft are better in different types of fights.

The P-51 is average as a turn-fighter at best, and probably the low end of that range at that. A slow Pony, in most cases, is a dead Pony (there's a few exceptional guys that can make her dance at any speed, but we're talking some EXCEPTIONAL sticks and no exaggeration). A Pony on the deck better be running out of dodge at Ludicrous Speed, or he's asking for trouble. She also doesn't hold on to energy as well as other aircraft, so isn't the best as an energy fighter, (I LOVE watching Ponies outrunning me in a dive all the sudden think they can pull up and out-zoom my Corsair ) although the 51 CAN pick it up again fairly quickly, especially when going nose-down.

As stated, the P-51 is most effective at higher altitudes (in the context of the Main Arena, between 10-15k) and flown as a BnZ plane. I have no fear of a P-51 below or co-alt with me, and so long as I see him coming and I'm not tied up with another con, the alt-monkey one-pass Runstangs are generally little more than a nuisance. The danger is that the P-51 CAN get up to speed quickly, so if you don't know he's there he can cherry-pick before you can react.

The important thing is keep the 51 fast. DON'T bleed off your speed to mix it up at close range, as there's few aircraft the Pony can expect to out-turn at ANY speed. If you feel your dive speed is TOO high, pull back throttle except for the last few seconds of your attack run.

Also, think about target selection. If you're making high-speed passes alert targets will generally just Split-S under you where your airspeed keeps you from following, or otherwise sidestep your run (in some cases setting up a reversal to nail you). Use your airspeed to advantage and pop the guys who may not be so wary: Clear 6's, etc. Don't give your actual target any indication that he IS your target. Target selection, setup and positioning is the art to a perfectly-executed BnZ that most TnB'ers don't like to acknowledge.

[Helm]

Some planes just suit your flying style and personallity .....For some odd reason the only plane I am any good in is the Ki-61 ...yet almost nobody else fly's it .....embrace the fact that you are comfortable in the yak and the p47

[Gaidin]

It really is what you are comfortable with and have fun in, but dont discount planes on the first fly.  Have patience, pick a plane and stick with it, good or bad for a week or two.  Learn its strengths and its weaknesses.  Even if you never fly that plane again after those 2 weeks you will know how it can fly, and that will help you shoot it down.  Learn from those willing to teach, but most of all have fun.  I personally am doing a month rotation.  This month is the LA7, no legs on it, but its a great fighter.  This is my best month so far, but next month I move on.  Sure if your doing a base defense deviate if you need to.  Right now for low slow defense I switch to the Hurri, but if fight is high or out away from base some I run with the LA.  Next month it will be a differnt bird, but I know that if I need to switch back to a fast, manuverable fighter, that I will know how to fly the LA7.  Just learn the planes and have fun, dont worry about score, that will come in time.

Just my 2 pennies.

[Saxman]

"High" and "La-7" mix about as well as oil and water. Unless you're planning to burn through an otd furball at Mach 10.

[Xasthur]

Originally posted by Sincraft

I see alot of 109s and 190s on 'the other teams' but not many rooks flying them.  Wonder why?  My fav turn fighter in ww2online was a 109e [/B]

That would be me.

The late model 109s pack a punch that not many can reckon with. The 30mm is deadly in the right hands.

To be honest, I find anything of a lesser calibre to be a waste of time.

Once you learn to get your kills with this cannon down to 10 rounds per kill max, you will be pulling home 6-7 kill sorties without a re-arm.

The best way to fight with a 30mm cannon is to treat the gun like a knife as opposed to a projectile weapon. You have to get real close.... then get closer, then pull the trigger... *snap* and they're dead.

If they don't explode straight away, they'll at least be missing vital parts.

With experience in a 109G (and even a K4 at a stretch) you can turn with most aircraft.

I've got some great films of P-47 pilots who think they can roll about in their fat pigs and out-turn me in a 109K without effort.



1 Jug fight that lasted for 3 minutes or so, rolling and turning everywhere. Was a great fight.

Once you get into your position, that's all you need.

I think i used 5 cannon rounds in this fight.

[Bucky73]

IMO...the pony isn't a bad turn fighter if u manage your throttle correctly and use your flaps accordingly also having the correct fuel load is a MUST. There is a night and day difference in the way the pony handles with 50% fuel compared to 75%. I get alot of kills turn fighting with it. However, if ya jump in on a spit or something that turns well you don't want to be doing it for long because once they get over the initial shock of a pony turn fighting them they will crank it around on you and the acceleration isn't that great. So get the kill quick.

As for the "jug"....i couldn't tell you much about it because i think i can count on 1 hand how many times I've used it. I do know that there seem to be 2 kinds of jug drivers> the really, really bad ones or the ones that will send you to the tower express mail. Platano, and YUCCA come to mind also MWL has give me some good fights.

[Wolfala]

[Treize69]

Imagine how much damage youd be doing if you weren't about to chop his tail off with your prop...

That thing has guns in BOTH wings you know.

[Wolfala]

Originally posted by Treize69
Imagine how much damage youd be doing if you weren't about to chop his tail off with your prop...

That thing has guns in BOTH wings you know.

Its important to be thorough.