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Offline Bronk

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« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2007, 07:43:30 PM »
C'mon savage you must have watched that race.
Sr blocked marlin, marlin tapped Sr. and Sr hit the wall.
You going to say he wasn't blocking?

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« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2007, 10:45:28 PM »
Wouldn't have changed the race?  Martin would had won had they thrown the flag as Kyle Busch went sideways and the field self destructed at the same time.  Darrell Waltrip is a fool for saying it wouldn't have changed anything, and I'm an angry fan that Mark Martin didn't win.:cry
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« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2007, 10:49:15 PM »
Regardless of who was leading when the #5 car swapped ends, it was essential to switch on the yellow lights. Drivers would see the lights or hear it immediately from their spotters. They would have eased off the throttles and possibly reduced the damage and risks of racing to the line. This was an instance where NASCAR elected to put the show ahead of the safety of the competitors. As it was, they waited about 15 seconds and the number of wrecks, and potential risk of serious injury was enhanced (as in Bowyer sliding across the finish line upside-down and extremely vulnerable).
 
This was very poor judgement on the part of NASCAR.
 
For crying out loud, they threw a yellow last year for a piece of rollbar foam! Here we have the potential for serious injury (cars spinning and colliding everywhere) and they sit on the yellow until the crashing is generally over. This makes the whole effort at improving safety seem like a farce.
 
If NASCAR has a shred of credibilty, they will review the videotapes and freeze the field when the 5 lost it. Then, whoever was in the lead, wins...
 
Of course, we all know that they won't make any effort if it casts the slightest doubt on the race official's judgement.
 
NASCAR shot themselves in the foot today and many teams will be less than thrilled with their decision.
 
Oh, and by the way... I just reviewed the last lap again via ESPN. Had they thrown the yellow exactly when the 5 lost the back end, Harvick wins. If they wait just one second, until there's actual contact, Martin wins.. Either way, NASCAR blew it letting them race to the line.

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« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2007, 11:50:47 PM »
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« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2007, 12:47:57 AM »
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If NASCAR has a shred of credibilty, they will review the videotapes and freeze the field when the 5 lost it. Then, whoever was in the lead, wins...
 
Of course, we all know that they won't make any effort if it casts the slightest doubt on the race official's judgement.
 
NASCAR shot themselves in the foot today and many teams will be less than thrilled with their decision.
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Since the whole no racing back to the line thing came about NASCAR has been pretty consistent about when they throw the yellows.  If you go back and watch some of the races for the last two years you'll notice that they always try to let the finish play out if the wreck happens coming out of the final turn.  Whether you agree that it's safe or not, they've done it consistently since it's inception.  They're quick to throw the flag in the middle of a race, but they always try and let it play out at the end.

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« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2007, 03:32:12 AM »
I had to work 2-10 today. Man, am I glad I didn't peek here before I watched the race on DVR! It was quite a finish, but once again NASCAR blew the call. Since Jarrett's wreck at Dover the rule has been no racing to the line. NASCAR has been quick on the trigger to throw cautions ever since, including the "last scoring loop" scenarios where they back up position to before the incident.

Having said that, Harvick had one heck of a run and beat Martin to the line. Mark could have tried to block him, but Mark Martin is as clean and nice as they come. Nice guys finish the Daytona 500 2nd.
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« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2007, 05:29:07 AM »
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Since the whole no racing back to the line thing came about NASCAR has been pretty consistent about when they throw the yellows.  If you go back and watch some of the races for the last two years you'll notice that they always try to let the finish play out if the wreck happens coming out of the final turn.  Whether you agree that it's safe or not, they've done it consistently since it's inception.  They're quick to throw the flag in the middle of a race, but they always try and let it play out at the end.


Exactly. So what all the Martin fans out there is for him to win on a flag instead of on the track? There was less than a second between the time the wreck started and they crossed the line anyways. Even if they wanted to throw the yellow, it would have taken longer to make that decision. The better car/driver ,given the circumstances, won. Get over it.
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« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2007, 07:58:52 AM »
Bah. Show me the wrecks. and the last 5 laps and I've seen the most interesting things there are to see in a NASCAR race

Other then that.

Buncha rednecks driving around in circles? Zzzzzz,Zzzzzzz,Zzzzzz

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« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2007, 08:14:37 AM »
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Bah. Show me the wrecks. and the last 5 laps and I've seen the most interesting things there are to see in a NASCAR race

Other then that.

Buncha rednecks driving around in circles? Zzzzzz,Zzzzzzz,Zzzzzz

Even Soccer is more entertaining


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« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2007, 09:12:40 AM »
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Exactly. So what all the Martin fans out there is for him to win on a flag instead of on the track? There was less than a second between the time the wreck started and they crossed the line anyways. Even if they wanted to throw the yellow, it would have taken longer to make that decision. The better car/driver ,given the circumstances, won. Get over it.


What ???????!!!!!!!  Less than a second ??? What planet do you live on? You better look at the replay again.
NASCAR screwed up bad .
I know there have been other races ended under yellow for similar conditions.
But because of who's car was going for it on a particular anniversary date. We'll let it slide.
The sanctioning body needs an enema.

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« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2007, 11:28:42 AM »
You're wrong bronk.  The only reason this is even being talked about is because Martin is a lot of folk's sentimental favorite.  It's happened before, it'll happen again.  I'm happy to see NASCAR try to let the finish play out.  Throwing a yellow at that point would'nt have done anything to stop the wreck from happening.  Also, if you go back and look Harvice is in front when the wreck starts.

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« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2007, 11:37:10 AM »
I don't care who would have won. It's about NASCAR's inconsistent use of the rules.
Either
A. Race back to the line no matter what.
B. No racing back to the line for safety issues.

If there is a wreck you throw the flag period.
Or is driver safety less important than the win?

 And to the clown who said it was a second later.... get a new watch.

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« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2007, 11:47:02 AM »
whoa ...  ... thats it everyone stop on the last turn and freeze !!!!!   LOL

Come on guys .. watch the replays as you say ... Martin was behind when the wreck accured anyway ...   they dont yellow just cause someone gets loose .

  there would of been no stopping that gang anyway that close to the finish line .
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« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2007, 11:53:26 AM »
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whoa ...  ... thats it everyone stop on the last turn and freeze !!!!!   LOL

Come on guys .. watch the replays as you say ... Martin was behind when the wreck accured anyway ...   they dont yellow just cause someone gets loose .

  there would of been no stopping that gang anyway that close to the finish line .


How is it different than any other time of the race.

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« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2007, 12:04:01 PM »
Bronk, they've been consistent.  In the middle of the race, caution flies immediately.  Last lap, they look at the track to see if there's any way to let it run green to finish.  Nothing new happened yesterday.