Author Topic: Can a P47D be substituted for P47C (Read 751 times)

Stoney74 · « **on:** July 05, 2006, 11:33:03 PM »

Unless I'm missing my 5th Air Force order of battle, I don't see any pacific P-47 skins. I know they had D-11's in theater, but all my pictures I have/found are either C models or other razorback D's. My question is since the C and D model razorbacks were basically identical, would a C model skin on a D model 47 be accepted?

Just wondering, because I want to try a Pacific P-47 razorback skin.

Krusty · « **Reply #1 on:** July 05, 2006, 11:39:16 PM »

The performance and range of the C and D are very different. I don't think any C has been allowed on any D to date. I would doubt they'd start allowing it. That is my guess.

P.S. there are plenty of razorback P47s that served in the pacific. I'm planning on 2 of them right now (no work started yet)

Bruno · « **Reply #2 on:** July 06, 2006, 12:39:38 AM »

Krusty is incorrect.

Late C and early D performance are almost identical. As D models came online the C models were upgraded. The C and early D performance are a lot closer together then a G-6 and a G-6/AS.

If you don't believe me Widewing wrote as much in a long ago thread:

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Virtually every C-2 and C-5 was upgraded to include additional cowl flaps, water injection and the "bulged keel" plumbed for a single belly tank, bringing them up the revision level of D-10s and D-11s just arriving in theater.

It's easy enough to skin the D-11 as a C model. Can anyone tell a C-5 from a D-5, from a D-11 without a serial number... Only an expert could, and he would be hard pressed to make that determination.

We don't need an older Jug, the D-11 is little changed from an upgraded C-5. If anything, we could have used a D-22 or D-23 to fill the gap between mid '43 thru spring of '44. These were fitted with under-wing pylons for drop tanks or ordnance, the D-11 is not. They also were built with the C-W (-23) or HS (-22) paddle blade props. Either of these will actually have a use in TOD.

Again, just re-skin the D-11 as a P-47C-5 and you'll be 99.99% accurate.

That said IMHO substitute paint schemes are silly considering the volume of variety of the current models. I personally am not interested much in the P-47 so I can't give you any suggestions as to where to look. Maybe others will suggest a good book or you could stop by a library and see what you can find.

You would be better served by asking Skuzzy or Pyro what they think beofre getting started.

Regards,

Krusty · « **Reply #3 on:** July 06, 2006, 01:05:32 AM »

I was under the impression the Cs had serious lack of power, shorter range, and other problems. If they were upgraded in the field, are they "C" versions any more? Or are they now the considered "D"?

Stoney74 · « **Reply #4 on:** July 06, 2006, 01:11:01 AM »

Thanks for both replies...

I had read that very little had changed between the C and D's. I'm working a basic green Pacific razorback scheme first, so then I can add the details to make it what I'm looking for. What I've started is Gerald Johnson's P-47D-5, so I'd probably be ok. I think the only difference between the -5 and -11 were internal systems. I'll look at some C schemes to see if they'd be worthwhile.

I'll see about contacting Skuzzy or Pyro tomorrow...

Thanks again

Krusty · « **Reply #5 on:** July 06, 2006, 01:14:23 AM »

If I'm wrong I apologize. I read that info here on this forum (the AH forum) a long time ago, by somebody I *thought* knew something about P47s. I guess not. Sorry!

Bruno · « **Reply #6 on:** July 06, 2006, 01:54:29 AM »

It depends on the time frame. Cs orignally didn't have the same range nor wep (no ADI). When the D10s and D11s rolled out the Cs were brought up to that standard and as such were virtually identical.

Guppy35 · « **Reply #7 on:** July 06, 2006, 02:00:05 AM »

Tons of D-model razorback Jugs in the Pacific.. I count 15 profiles in the Osprey book on Jug aces in the Pacific of D-2 through D-23 Jugs.

As near as I can tell the first Jugs in the Pacific were Neal Kearby's 348th FG P47D-2s

Kinda think the D-11 will work fine for those and beyond. I see no reference to C models in anything I have including Bodie's massive work on the Jug. He has D-2s of the 348th as first in the Pacific as well.

Keeler101 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 26, 2007, 12:24:56 PM »

What was the outcome on this question , Im thinking of trying to skin Ralph A Johnson's P-47c

Krusty · « **Reply #9 on:** February 26, 2007, 01:00:06 PM »

In short:

Go for it. But chances are, if you look you'll find a similar skin in the D anyways. Might as well check for D skins before doing Cs.

Stoney74 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 28, 2007, 12:18:21 AM »

Well, being a little more ignorant then than I am now...

I don't know if they would care. The only external difference is the cowl flap arrangement. Not to mention there are already some C model skins in the game on D11's.

And I did find some C models assigned to the 348th.