Wolfmother

[Soulyss]

I've never considered Zeppelin to be copying The Who.  That being said they copied just about every delta blues muscian under the sun.  Look @ some of the old blues records and you see Zeppelin's song on them.  Whole Lotta Love was a complete rip off.  That being said I love to sit down and listen to a Zep album.  

[Xargos]

If your truly a Zep fan you should also listen to Muddy Waters, Howlin Wolf and Lightnin' Hopkins.

[Masherbrum]

I listen to LeadBelly and Willie Dixon.   Zeppelin's only good Dixon tunes out of the one's the did, was Bring It On Home.  

All bands have influences.   Whether it be Eddie Cochrane, Buddy Holly, Carl Perkins, The Beatles, Elvis, The Who, Stones, etc.

[JB88]

Originally posted by Masherbrum
I listen to LeadBelly and Willie Dixon.   Zeppelin's only good Dixon tunes out of the one's the did, was Bring It On Home.  

All bands have influences.   Whether it be Eddie Cochrane, Buddy Holly, Carl Perkins, The Beatles, Elvis, The Who, Stones, etc.

leadbelly (ledbetter) did the original "black betty" (bam a lam)  

linin' track is another one of his songs.  great old tunes.

[Padre]

Originally posted by DiabloTX
Anyone else listening to this record?  Holy crap it rawks.

Finally, a new band that I can get excited about.

This Kid has it Right. WolfMother Brings it back, I hope they can give us 6 or 8 LPs worth of Goodness..

[DiabloTX]

I love it.  Start off with a contemporary hard rock band and the thread, by manifest destiny, goes to where it all started; the blues.  It don't get any heavier than the blues IMHO.

Storch, you're mighty welcome, bud.

40 years old and called a kid.  Gotta love it!  

Hey Masher, don't mean to call you out but it's physically impossible to bend a guitar string a full octave.  That's like taking an open string and bending it to the tone at the 12th fret, or 12 semi-tones.  A typical bend is 3 - 5 semi-tones (or 3 - 5 frets).  But 12 is impossible if we are saying that the fretted and picked note at a given fret is still the same position at the end of the bend.  I'm not quite sure what Clapton meant but Gilmour is the master of control of a guitar, especially one as hard to play as a Strat is.

{EDIT} Another Brick in the Wall Part 2 has one of my favorite solo's of all time.  A classic.

[DiabloTX]

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This is probably what Clapton had problems with.  The bend up to the 17th fret tone (4 semi-tones), then up to the 18th fret tone (5 semi-tones), then back DOWN to the 15th (or 2 semi-tones).  I can't speak for other guitarists but I'd have a real difficult time bending up to and down to the proper tones.  I am sure there are some on this BBS that can, not me.

[Mustaine]

even a 5 fret semi-tone bend is a feat thats 2 1/2 whole notes, or on a piano bending a C all the way to an F

most bends you see and hear in guitar are 2-3 semi-tones or 1 whole note to 1 1/2 whole note, though quite often in music like something steve vai may play (or the like) you will hear a 2 whole note bend.


but karaya, he's right it is physically impossible to bend a note 12 steps. the closest I have heard was dimebag darrell do a whammy bar bend of a harmonic at the 3rd fret, and that high pitched of a note it is hard to accurately say if it went close to an octave. (the said note in question can be heard in "Cemetery Gates" and approx 6:41 in the song.

[jigsaw]

Originally posted by Mustaine
but karaya, he's right it is physically impossible to bend a note 12 steps. the closest I have heard was dimebag darrell do a whammy bar bend of a harmonic at the 3rd fret, and that high pitched of a note it is hard to accurately say if it went close to an octave. (the said note in question can be heard in "Cemetery Gates" and approx 6:41 in the song.

Most of us that were playing the Dallas circuit in those days all had Floyds with the body underneath it routed out so you could pull up anywhere from a 5th to an octave, depending on the body and who did the routing.

[DiabloTX]

Originally posted by jigsaw
Most of us that were playing the Dallas circuit in those days all had Floyds with the body underneath it routed out so you could pull up anywhere from a 5th to an octave, depending on the body and who did the routing.

That's true for Floyd's and whammy bends but we're talking bends with the frethand, ala Gilmour in this solo.

[Mustaine]

Originally posted by jigsaw
Most of us that were playing the Dallas circuit in those days all had Floyds with the body underneath it routed out so you could pull up anywhere from a 5th to an octave, depending on the body and who did the routing.

just so others aren't confused with the name "Floyd" I assume you are talking about a "Floyd Rose" tremolo bar, no relation to Pink Floyd the band


from wikipedia:

# It offers a wide range in the vibrato effect. The standard models may bend notes 3-4 semitones down and 2-3 semitones up. Customised variants of the Floyd Rose Locking Tremolo are able to bend notes as far as 8 semitones down and 5 semitones up.


though I know what you are talking about routing the body... but I find it difficult to believe the note could go up a full 12 semi-tones, as the strings would be lowered so much as to hit the bridge as seen in this image sort of as figure III.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Floyd_rose_principle.png

[DblTrubl]

That wiki entry is incorrect. A standard Floyd and many other trem designs can lower pitch much more than 3-4 semitones. They'll lower it to the point where the string tension is such that they'll no longer produce a note and attach themselves to the pick-up pole pieces. Too lazy to dig my gear out to test it but I'd wager its more than an octave.

As for the solo in ABITW Pt2, I just listened to it twice and I didn't hear any bends that even approached an octave. I think Diablo's explanation a few posts back is probably on the money. I thought of a couple ways to achieve the effect of an extreme string bend though. One way would be to start the bend then gliss up a few frets and continue to increase string deflection. If you were smooth enough I think it would produce the desired effect. Another would be to depress the trem before picking the note and slowly releasing it, then bending with the fret hand once the trem is neutral. If Gilmour used the latter method or something similar that may explain why Clapton had trouble with it. He has the trem on his strats blocked off. On the subject of Clapton and string bending, check out the solo on Bad Love from the Journeyman album...some sick bends on that one.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by DiabloTX
I love it.  Start off with a contemporary hard rock band and the thread, by manifest destiny, goes to where it all started; the blues.  It don't get any heavier than the blues IMHO.

Storch, you're mighty welcome, bud.

40 years old and called a kid.  Gotta love it!  

Hey Masher, don't mean to call you out but it's physically impossible to bend a guitar string a full octave.  That's like taking an open string and bending it to the tone at the 12th fret, or 12 semi-tones.  A typical bend is 3 - 5 semi-tones (or 3 - 5 frets).  But 12 is impossible if we are saying that the fretted and picked note at a given fret is still the same position at the end of the bend.  I'm not quite sure what Clapton meant but Gilmour is the master of control of a guitar, especially one as hard to play as a Strat is.

{EDIT} Another Brick in the Wall Part 2 has one of my favorite solo's of all time.  A classic.

I've read in a couple magazine articles that he can bend a note a full octave and is one of a few guitarists that can do it.    When we get a printer/scanner, I'll see if I can find the old mags laying around.

Also, on ABITW Part 2, Gilmour used a Les Paul, not a Strat.

I'm not a guitarist, I drummed for 14 years.   But all I was saying that any "15 year old kid", won't even come close to Gilmour, Clapton, Hendrix, Stevie Ray, Townshend.   But Gilmour as Diablo, has more "control" than any other guitarist out there.

They are my fav. band, right behind them are Queen, The Who, Zeppelin, Old Elton John, Beatles, Stones (up to Some Girls), T Rex.    I was born in the wrong generation.   I haven't touched weed in 12 years, 1995 was the last toke.

[storch]

floyd's music is far too techincal to played under the influence of anything but passion for the music and an almost obsessive dedication to perfection.  the music is mind boggling and far ahead of it's time.  the band is pure genious in action.  drug influenced, I don't think so.  15 year old perform it as well, maybe a 15 year old idiot savant.

[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by storch
floyd's music is far too techincal to played under the influence of anything but passion for the music and an almost obsessive dedication to perfection.  the music is mind boggling and far ahead of it's time.  the band is pure genious in action.  drug influenced, I don't think so.  15 year old perform it as well, maybe a 15 year old idiot savant.

I'm glad other's share the same opinion.