UK sending 1400 more troops

[Hawco]

You know, I have a feeling that we still be debating this country in the next 10 years or so, I just don't see any end in sight.
You get a mission- you do mission- you go home
Here, it's looking more and more like some form of backing up local forces, losing a few of our guys every week/month and the cycle continues, new govts are elected and we are still there, doing the same thing day after day after day.
One day, some form of peace accord will be signed, the Taliban guys will  be brought into some new provisional govt, given the usual diplomatic passports etc and then start making cash quickly, meanwhile back at the ranch, there's a bunch of ex Soldiers walking around asking "wtf was that all about"

[Torque]

why grab the bull by the horns when you can throw a yoke on it to pull your wagon.

legalize the opiate trade to cut off the taliban's funding, use the taxes to fund the core programs already in place, build up the infrastructure, governance and the police/military.

pavement and power-lines are weapons of longevity against the taliban in afghanistan.

there is no sordid history unlike in iraq so a genuine popular support for the troops is there. if the troops can give the afghans a tangible opportunity to improve their standard of living, once they taste that the taliban will be marginalized to a nonexistence status.

just kept curious george and the three canards out of it.

[WhiteHawk]

Originally posted by Pei
to Afghanistan

There are rumours of a Spring offensive already.

i think the spring offensive is going to be a 2 pronged assault into iran.

[john9001]

i think WhiteHawk is wrong.

[Anyone]

Originally posted by lazs2
then perhaps you can weigh in thrawn.. which are the good muslim and which are the backward ones?

lazs

they are only backwards because they are bombed by us so much.

[moot]

Mind bendingly pertinent, that.

[Anyone]

Originally posted by WhiteHawk
i think the spring offensive is going to be a 2 pronged assault into iran.

which would be followed by Iran invading BOTH Afghanistan and Iraq.

Not smart.

a few million troops vs our 150'000, would be like the Redcoats vs the Zulu's......

Iran vs Afghanistan would probably collapse rather fast due to terrain favoring Irans troop movements.

Iran vs Iraq would be like the Gulfwar 1980s to 1990s.... hard and bloody with no end in sight. Attrition would mean a net loss to the "allies" as we would soon run out of troops.

Not to mention that both Iraq and Afghanistan are NOT safe bases to launch from anyway... Both are still in resistance and any war lauched from these countries would cause the resistance to increase, and supply lines will be at major risk.


Unless Both US and UK start consription, there isnt any way we will have enough troops to do anything to Iran.

[lazs2]

"they are only backwards because they are bombed by us so much."

I see..  But since we pay them enormous sums of money for opium and oil.... literaly..kings ransoms every year.. it must come out a wash.

They have tons of money but they have a 9th century religion of intolerance.   It's a wash... it makes em spend all their money on weapons.

lazs

[VooWho]

Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Opium growth for illegal drug usage is something anyone can say shouldn't be done. Period. As what goes for 'defeating Afghanistan' in which way did you defeat anything? It has no army and Al-qaeda is still freely operating in the area doing guerilla attacks, latest news being against Dick Cheney visiting there. The warlords still rule the country in the old fashion, the western troops are just trying to survive in the middle there.

Or did you mean defeat like Iraq is defeated. I heard a couple years ago (pre attack) that it's a peaceful prospering western civilization at the moment.

I guess you didn't see my repost to Dowding. I forgot that we only sent like 3,000 troops to invade Afganistan, and we used the Northern Alliance and tribal war-lords to help us fight Al Q.

Also to note, Mr. Cheney wasn't in Afganistan when the bomb went off near him, it was in Pakistan. Afganistan is harder to defend from the locals that know there country like the Indians did in the great Americas. In Afganistan remember theres caves, snowy mountains, and steep valleys. Hard terrian that is very hot during the day and very cold during the night.

Yes I agree with you that growing Opium for illegal drug selling is bad, but I'm saying we can't tell Afganistan you can't grow this crop or else we will burn your fields. All we can do is tell them, we don't like your crop because in our country its illegal. They say "Oh okay, but this is how I support my family." Its not up to us to stop the growth of Opium production, its up to the Afganistan government. I don't see a sudden stop to the production of Opium in the region. Its like Bolivia and growing (I can't remember). America has asked them to limit the sell and production of the crop, but Bolivian government ignores us because that is how there people make money.

[john9001]

Originally posted by Anyone
a few million troops vs our 150'000, would be like the Redcoats vs the Zulu's......
 

what history class did you sleep through?  the British defeated the Zulus.

[Anyone]

Originally posted by lazs2

They have tons of money but they have a 9th century religion of intolerance.   It's a wash... it makes em spend all their money on weapons.

lazs

isn't it up to them what they do religion/government wise??? Why is the United states pushing so hard for democracies everywhere.... its almost like the Soviet union and its Communist puppets everywhere.



and anyway when they do spend there money, We bomb back a few hundred years.....Iraq being the main one here....  Israel bomb them when they make a nuclear power plant... we bomb them every few years since the 90s and flatten there cities.

Then you have Lebanon.... A peaceful, democratic state, with modern sky-rises and clean water etc etc.... but Israel flattens it because terrorists live there? How is that helping?






Afghanistan and Northern pakistan was the only two areas that really needed attention when it comes to the "War on Terror".

Pakistan has tried to sort itself out..... however we left the job half finished with Afghanistan, and decided to cause more trouble and stretch ourselves into Iraq as well.. smart.



Foriegn Policy by USA and its puppets Israel and UK really needs a looking at.

Originally posted by john9001
what history class did you sleep through?  the British defeated the Zulus.

yes, but at great costs......

[VooWho]

There are many modern muslim countries.

Egypt
United Arab Emirets
Kuwait
Suadi Arabia
Turkey
Qatar
Jordan
Algeria
Tunisia
Bahrain
Libya
Morocco
Oman
Syria
Lebanon
Iran

[Squire]

"isn't it up to them what they do religion/government wise??? Why is the United states pushing so hard for democracies everywhere.... its almost like the Soviet union and its Communist puppets everywhere."

You obviously need to crack open a book on world history post 1945...I will leave it at that.

"and anyway when they do spend there money, We bomb back a few hundred years.....Iraq being the main one here....  Israel bomb them when they make a nuclear power plant... we bomb them every few years since the 90s and flatten there cities."

Darn, those Iraqis spent good money on that nuclear reactor prior to the war with Iran? shame we couldnt have had Hussein with the bomb, after all, like you said, all that "good money wasted"....you sound like a capitalist? hope thats not true....personally I think the 1991 Gulf War would have been a lot more "fun" with a nuclear Iraq.

"Then you have Lebanon.... A peaceful, democratic state, with modern sky-rises and clean water etc etc.... but Israel flattens it because terrorists live there? How is that helping?"

Ask the PLO and Hezbollah how its helping. It isnt helping, but then they really dont give a s*** either?

"Afghanistan and Northern pakistan was the only two areas that really needed attention when it comes to the "War on Terror"."

Why, I thought the USA and its puppets didn't count? you mean we *should* ignore terror cells in the rest of the world? isnt that too "USA centric" for you? I guess the Russians shouldnt care about Beslan or the Spanish about the Madrid bombings...after all, they are just Euros...

"Pakistan has tried to sort itself out..... however we left the job half finished with Afghanistan, and decided to cause more trouble and stretch ourselves into Iraq as well.. smart."

We didnt "cause more trouble". Stop blaming the west for all your perceived injustices.

"Foriegn Policy by USA and its puppets Israel and UK really needs a looking at."

So look....

...How I long for a world where China and Iran are the two remaining super powers...as we all must? .

[lukster]

The more organized islamofacists become the easier it is to dispatch larger numbers of them. We're doing them a favor right? Seventy two virgins and all.

[bj229r]

See Rule #5