Author Topic: Ki-61 = Japanese spit 5? (Read 2091 times)

crockett · « **Reply #30 on:** March 01, 2007, 01:26:41 AM »

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Originally posted by Bronk
Apologies, took it as another whine.

Bronk

How nice you can apologize and give grief in the same sentence, you are truly a seasoned keyboard ninja..

Bronk · « **Reply #31 on:** March 01, 2007, 01:29:06 AM »

*sigh*
Not you , I meant another whine in general.
Sheessh don't take it so personal.

Bronk

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #32 on:** March 01, 2007, 03:14:56 AM »

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Originally posted by crockett
Yea but your p-38 has a extra feature it disappears!!! The only time I've fought you, I was turning in on you then next thing you you I lost you.. I 'm like where did he go? Then two or three secods late I'm getting shot up from my 6..

Most likely the fight was progressing into a Luftberry and I had enough energy to pull into a loop and cut inside your turn. Which would explain why you lost sight of me since you expected me to turn with you, instead I went vertical to cut the angle.

ack-ack

crockett · « **Reply #33 on:** March 01, 2007, 03:29:09 PM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Most likely the fight was progressing into a Luftberry and I had enough energy to pull into a loop and cut inside your turn. Which would explain why you lost sight of me since you expected me to turn with you, instead I went vertical to cut the angle.

ack-ack

Yea the post was meant more as a compliment than anything. Meaning you killed me before I knew what happened.

I was was turning in on you and next thing I know, I lost you only to see you dropping in from above on my 6. So I only lasted about 20 or 30 seconds the only time I came up again you.

I want a rematch lol

OOZ662 · « **Reply #34 on:** March 01, 2007, 07:05:19 PM »

http://www.gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php?p1=ki61&p2=spit5

However, you need to take into account that some pilots are smart enough to drain the wing fuel tanks of the Ki first.

1K3 · « **Reply #35 on:** March 01, 2007, 07:20:39 PM »

Ki 61 has a very sturdy airframe with more room for improvement

Imagine how it would be like if this little monster had a DB605 engine + MW-50 boost (found in Bf 109G-14s)...

Masherbrum · « **Reply #36 on:** March 01, 2007, 08:39:00 PM »

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Originally posted by OOZ662
http://www.gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php?p1=ki61&p2=spit5

However, you need to take into account that some pilots are smart enough to drain the wing fuel tanks of the Ki first.

Which is EXACTLY why I have NO PROBLEMS turning with Spits.

Krusty · « **Reply #37 on:** March 01, 2007, 10:30:08 PM »

I've found it doesn't matter if you drain wing tanks vs fuse tanks first. You have the same net weight on you, it only matters if you get into severe rolling scissors or something. So I just leave it on auto drain and I still do perfectly fine with it in dogfights. I don't think that'd effect it much.

EDIT: I like longer sorties, mind you. I like 30 mins of fuel when I take off, or more.

OOZ662 · « **Reply #38 on:** March 01, 2007, 11:47:19 PM »

The issue in most of these debates though, is that people always say "I noticed," "I think," "I experienced." Perception is an odd thing; it's not an exact measure of the abilities of the aircraft. I've had many a time where I thought a plane was the absolute ultimate aircraft for my style, when in reality I had simply fought a bunch of noobs with their stall limiters on that night.

Be careful gauging with perception and not data.

Masherbrum · « **Reply #39 on:** March 02, 2007, 04:38:30 AM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
I've found it doesn't matter if you drain wing tanks vs fuse tanks first. You have the same net weight on you, it only matters if you get into severe rolling scissors or something. So I just leave it on auto drain and I still do perfectly fine with it in dogfights. I don't think that'd effect it much.

EDIT: I like longer sorties, mind you. I like 30 mins of fuel when I take off, or more.

It DOES make a difference. It's just like the 205 in that it's roll rate and turning ability increases.

Krusty · « **Reply #40 on:** March 02, 2007, 11:56:28 AM »

It makes a difference in roll rate, for sure. Draining any wing tanks does.

However, it ONLY makes a difference in turn if you burn them all off to lighten the plane. That will save you maybe a couple hundred pounds.

The problem is that if you WANT the longer flight time, and you take 75% or even 100% internal fuel, you're going to have more gas onboard. In this situation, it doesn't matter which tanks you burn first, you're going to turn the same.

Example: Burn off 50 gallons to get to the fight. In situation 1 you burn off aux (fuse) tank first. You still have N gallons of weight in your air frame as you start turning.

Situation 2: you burn off wing tanks first, say this equals 50 gallons (whatever). You STILL get to the fight and start turning with N gallons onboard. So your overall turn performance won't be affected by draining one tank vs the other, you're still going to drain the same amount of fuel before you get to a fight.

Given equal start points and equal combat times, your turn will be the same. Roll yes, turn no.

EDIT: This is just for debate mind you. Fly however the heck you like. Somebody once asked me if I drained the Center tank on the Ki84 first when I fly it. He said it flew like a zeke on steroids. What he didn't realize is that it is the largest fuel tank on the aircraft, and when fully drained you have lost 60%-75% of your total fuel (and you're so light because you're almost out of gas).

Masherbrum · « **Reply #41 on:** March 02, 2007, 12:10:53 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
EDIT: This is just for debate mind you. Fly however the heck you like. Somebody once asked me if I drained the Center tank on the Ki84 first when I fly it. He said it flew like a zeke on steroids. What he didn't realize is that it is the largest fuel tank on the aircraft, and when fully drained you have lost 60%-75% of your total fuel (and you're so light because you're almost out of gas).

Krusty, I'm not upset and don't even consider this a debate. All is good!

I normally take 50% in both Ki's. But will grab 50% and DT's more than likely on the Ki84. The Ki61's range is just sick. I cannot remember the last time I took 100% in it.

Uriah · « **Reply #42 on:** March 03, 2007, 04:50:46 PM »

Sounds to me a little contest needs to take place. And not only a contest, but some 'real' life trials with the best pilots here in their best planes. Not just a furball but lets see if in AH a Ki-61 can out turn a SpitV.

Widewing · « **Reply #43 on:** March 03, 2007, 05:05:50 PM »

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Originally posted by Uriah
Sounds to me a little contest needs to take place. And not only a contest, but some 'real' life trials with the best pilots here in their best planes. Not just a furball but lets see if in AH a Ki-61 can out turn a SpitV.

No need for a trial.... The Ki-61 cannot out-turn a Spitfire Mk.V, not even close.

One pilot may out-turn another, but given equal pilots, the Ki-61 is toast.

My regards,

Widewing

FiLtH · « **Reply #44 on:** March 03, 2007, 05:24:18 PM »

Theres alot of planes in here that I use the ammo load to dictate the fuel load. If my ammo is gone in 30 mins of flying, having 1 hour of gas is'nt needed.

And I agree with Widewing.