Global Warming SOLAR-made not MAN-made

[pallero]

But where is that warming?

[pallero]

Oh, here is not global, but local warming for my bike before OMW to work in last february. It is 7:30 AM and -20°C.

[Fishu]

Originally posted by pallero
But where is that warming?

Pretty much all over you, if you haven't noticed. Southern Finland doesn't really have a winter anymore; Hardly any snow. Some years ago it was possible to build a snow fort and it could've lasted through the winter. Not anymore. New insect species have spread to southern Finland due to warmer weather and some of the species that used to exist only in the south have spread further north.

Meanwhile every year more people have died to heat in central and southern Europe. Floods are also becoming more frequent.

The temperature is slowly increasing all over the world. I'd say the sun has a bigger part in it than the global warming activists are willing to admit. Otherwise we'd be still in the ice age, or did I miss an existence of 10 000 year old industry?

[pallero]

Originally posted by Fishu
Pretty much all over you, if you haven't noticed. Southern Finland doesn't really have a winter anymore; Hardly any snow. Some years ago it was possible to build a snow fort and it could've lasted through the winter. Not anymore. New insect species have spread to southern Finland due to warmer weather and some of the species that used to exist only in the south have spread further north.

Meanwhile every year more people have died to heat in central and southern Europe. Floods are also becoming more frequent.

The temperature is slowly increasing all over the world. I'd say the sun has a bigger part in it than the global warming activists are willing to admit. Otherwise we'd be still in the ice age, or did I miss an existence of 10 000 year old industry?

Well, i dont think so.
Read this, so you get the idea. *click*
And the same in english here *click*

[Holden McGroin]

Southern Finland doesn't really have a winter anymore;

Want Winter?  see Athens

South-eastern Europe is suffering its worst winter for decades.

source
Sunday, 6 January, 2002, 17:28 GMT

Tourists visiting Athens have some rare shots for their holiday albums - snow settling around the Acropolis and on the palm trees in the centre of the city.

The authorities have declared a state of civil emergency in what the Prime Minister, Costas Simitis, has described as the worst cold weather in almost 40 years.

(Image removed from quote.)

Athens is not used to this kind of weather
 
Athenians are simply not used to coping with this kind of weather.

A 70-year-old woman died in the city after she apparently got lost in the snow and was unable to find her way home.

Or enjoy beautiful Kiev

Europe's Winter Death Toll Rises As Temperatures Dip Again
source
copyright AFP
by Staff Writers
Kiev, Ukraine (AFP) Feb 06, 2006
Polish and Ukrainian authorities on Monday revised upwards the human toll from the freezing weather that has gripped eastern Europe since the beginning of the year as temperatures plummeted again.
Following the deaths of eight people in the previous 24 hours, 738 people had succumbed to the intense cold since mid-January, the Ukrainian health ministry said.

[Fishu]

damn them, they have stole my beautiful snow!

[Angus]

It would melt quickly in Rome now

[Angus]

It won't touch the price of a lawn mower very much.
Works on any size of engine, but the marketing starts with the smaller ones. More items.
Oh, and as far as I know, it beats the computer chips hands down. Simpler too.

[john9001]

i have figured out this "climate change", if it's colder it's just local,  but if it's warmer it's caused by man and it's the end of the world unless we do something NOW.

is that close?

[Angus]

Ummm...no.
The combined "local" that is getting warmer is very much bigger than the combined "local spikes" of coldness.
If you take the mass into account, the difference is very much more marked.

[Hornet33]

The ONLY solution to "man made global warming" is to get rid of the initial problem.......man.

6.5 BILLION people living on this rock and that number has sky rocketed over the last 100 years or so.

How do you make 6.5 billion people all care about the enviroment when  half that population can't even feed itself without help from the industrialized countries?

Increased amounts of CO2 in the atmosphere??? Well no kidding. That's what happens when a person breaths. It's not SUV's and crap like that that's problem. It's the shear amount of people living on this rock that's the problem.

If we as a species want to survive then some DRASTIC measures will need to take place. A couple of nukes in certain locations around the world would do more to combat global warming than anything else just by getting rid of a couple of billion people.

Think about it.

[lazs2]

Looking at world temps it appears that the temp is leveling off and even going down some..  which makes sense seeing as how solar activity (not solar brightness) has gone down.

the discredited 2006 smear study about solar brightness has nothing to do with solar activity such as sunspots and solar wind and even cloud cover.

But.. temp is leveling off.. it is even going down... the religious left is in a panic... they are saying more and more outrageous things every day...  

But they can't explain... co2 follows temp not leads it... the sun activity leads not follows and the whole universe is heating up not just their office at the paper.

There has always been a percent of scientists who were willing to spout some exaggerated alarmist doom and gloom scenario to get attention..

It is just now that, with the left in control of almost all the journalism and grant money..   these guys are really getting more than thier 15 minutes of fame.. and.. it is seductive... everyone is jumping on the band wagon.

When it cools down in a few years and/or some real idea of what climate change and the models are proved bunk...

Most of the legitimate scientists who have bought into co2 causing the warming and pretended algore wasn't a fat blowhard with his head up his but... most of these guys are gonna wake up with a religious zeal hangover and a red face.

lazs

[DREDIOCK]

Agreed Human pollutant effects on global warming is at best just a theory.

But. unless he haveseveral active volcanoes in the Notheast nobody knows about.
Id say we are having an effect on air quality




Based on 18 months of Envisat observations, this high-resolution global atmospheric map of nitrogen dioxide pollution makes clear just how human activities impact air quality.

[lazs2]

I very much believe we can have an effect on air quality.. they less inversion in an area the worse it is too... if we insist on living in areas that don't self clean we will have some pretty bad air there..  the indians reported smog in los angles valley from simple bonfires.  

angus... I use an electric lawn mower.

lazs

[Angus]

And your electrics are from fossil-fuel plants?
With all those small engines milling around, a very much better carb will do good use at least.