Global Warming SOLAR-made not MAN-made

[AKIron]

Originally posted by LEADPIG
Ya'll can stick your heads up your butts about global warming if you want but if something happens were all gonna look stupid. I don't see what the aversion is to admiting the possibility of something, just to ere on the safe side. Even if we can or can't do something about it, might as well check it out. What's the harm in that? But outright denying the possibility of something is a move only left up to the completely ignorant. Probably the same people said Albert Einstein was stupid about that E=MC2 thing.

Know it all's, usually don't end up knowing much about anything.

Admitting the possibility of man made global warming is palatable to many of us. Relinquishing many of our pursuits and/or freedoms to those who insist upon drastic measures may not be.

[Angus]

Originally posted by AKIron
Angus, the arctic sea melting may be an indication of global warming but a harbinger of doom it ain't.

Well, when something happens that has not happened since way before there were humans at all, and it happens in a span of a micrometer in time,  (100-200 years out of 20 millions), I think it definately needs looking into.
BTW, the remaining icecap is 3 mi. sq.km. according to the article I read, so this means 25% gone in a year. Looking intothis, for I am sceptic on these numbers.
Meanwhile, with all this Ice mixing with the seawater, the seawater temp still went UP!

[JB88]

Originally posted by AKIron
Admitting the possibility of man made global warming is palatable to many of us. Relinquishing many of our pursuits and/or freedoms to those who insist upon drastic measures may not be.

a problem inherent within any addict.

[lazs2]

ledpig... no one is saying that global warming is not possible... no one is saying that it is impossible that man may have some hand in it that is yet unproved..

no one is saying that ghosts or bigfoot are not possible.

What we are saying is that co2 math doesn't add up and that a lot of really bad science has been misused to create that hoax.

The good news is that it is getting colder everywhere.. it is called fall/winter... people will of course realize that it was better when it was spring/summer.

There has been no global warming for 7 years at least... none in North America for 2 decades according to sat data.

The bad news is that the democrats control a lot of the government and may control it all in a year or so and then... they will use the co2 myth to push for bigger and more expensive and intrusive government.  

I imagine that it will be difficult for them tho since it will be apparent to almost everyone that the whole thing as layed out by the UN and such is a hoax.   When real painful measures are proposed... people will be glad to listen to the scientist who mock the hoax.    

As the debate becomes more serious and more at stake... more and more scientists are not holding their tounges... more and more are speaking out and deserting the man made global warming insanity.

course.. the democrats can bribe em back into the fold... billions (on top of the two billion they now give away a year) to study ways "to prevent man made global warming"

You aint gonna get a grant by saying it aint happening now are ya?

lazs

[lazs2]

and angus... why is it "global" when only your area is getting warmer and it is "local" when other areas are getting colder?

The global temp has not risen in at least 7 years..  the peaks were in the 30's when there was much less co2.  

lazs

[LEADPIG]

Originally posted by AKIron
Admitting the possibility of man made global warming is palatable to many of us. Relinquishing many of our pursuits and/or freedoms to those who insist upon drastic measures may not be.

I don't think we could fix it anyway, not unless we all got rid of our cars and rode skateboards. Hell, i'd rather die than do that, i'd be dead by then anyway. Let the next generation suffer what do we care, heh, might as well guys. We'll long be worm food. We have to decide what do we care about, long life on this earth or comfort and convenience while were here. Same choice an addict must make, should i self destruct doing this stuff, or do i care enough about life to do that anyway. Or do you want to live a long healthy miserable life.

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Angus
Well, when something happens that has not happened since way before there were humans at all, and it happens in a span of a micrometer in time,  (100-200 years out of 20 millions), I think it definately needs looking into.
BTW, the remaining icecap is 3 mi. sq.km. according to the article I read, so this means 25% gone in a year. Looking intothis, for I am sceptic on these numbers.
Meanwhile, with all this Ice mixing with the seawater, the seawater temp still went UP!

U Illiinois at Urbana Just when you thought this season's cryosphere couldn't be more strange .... The Southern Hemisphere sea ice area is close to surpassing the previous historic maximum of 16.03 million sq. km and is currently at 15.91 million sq. km. The observed sea ice record in the Southern Hemisphere (1979-present) is not as long as the Northern Hemisphere. Prior to the satellite era, direct observations of the SH sea ice edge were sporadic.

The NH sea ice area is currently at its historic minimum (2.92 million sq. km) representing a 27% drop in sea ice coverage compared to the previous (2005) record NH ice minimum.  

[Angus]

Scary.
BTW, southern sea-ice should be quite a bit because of the vast break-offs.
Afer all, most of the southern cap is on dryland, and not at sea. But big shelves on the float should mean a lot more sea ice.

[McFarland]

Global Dimming Transcript

Global Dimming Timeline

Global dimming is masking the effects of Global Warming, much more than was previously thought. Which means that Global Warming is having a greater effect than previously thought.

[Gh0stFT]

Folks, the todays problems we have with CO2 and Global warming is
the result from the '50. As far as i know, released gas on earth takes
aprox 50 years before it starts working in the athomosphere.
Imagine how the world will look in 50 years from now on, with all
the todays released gas...

unbelievable...

[Holden McGroin]

Originally posted by Angus
Scary.
BTW, southern sea-ice should be quite a bit because of the vast break-offs.
Afer all, most of the southern cap is on dryland, and not at sea. But big shelves on the float should mean a lot more sea ice.

It's scary that the southern ice cap is near an historic maximum? I thought that is what you wanted.

[Angus]

I have not been able to track an authentic measurement of the S-Cap. Only that some scientists think that the thickening deep inland is matching or more than matching the breakoffs nearer to the sea, such as the Larsen shelf. Now that's a bit vague, while what is happening on the N-Cap isvery absolute.
BTW, the NW route is wide open now. Bad news for places like....Panama.

As for dimming through particles in the atmosphere, that is somewhat troublesome, for the dimming wears off and then unleashes the full potential of greenhouse gases.  Increased dimming has been considered as a man-made emergency plan in case the heating goes very far, and is basically possible, but a very rough remedy.

[lazs2]

well... that's it then... the reason that the math for co2 doesn't add up is because of global dimming..  no matter what... it is our fault if the earth changes in temp... warmer or cooler.  

So why wasn't global dimming (LOL) figured into those highly accurate computer models?

Face it.. they got nothing.  Nothing but long range predictions that they feel safe making (who is gonna remember?) and short range predictions that are NEVER that is... never.. right.   They lie and then they make excuses... people are beginning to see tho... less and less are buying into it.

Listened to an environmentalist from norway with a name I cant pronounce or spell who has a book "cool it" and he claims that kryoto is evil... it costs 180 billion a year and does nothing.   I think that he fell off the co2 bandwagon,, at least to a certain extent... he says that if kryoto were strictly enforced... we would still gain the one degree at the end of the century but that we would delay it by 7 DAYS.

That is the question I asked so many here at the start... if we all slit our throats today... how much would it delay the burning to a crisp of the planet?

No one knows... this guy says 7 days a century... one thing for sure...if we were all dead.. we wouldn't have to hear the excuses when it didn't happen.

lazs

[Angus]

Get this Lazs:
"Face it.. they got nothing"

They have got one thing you have tried to discredit. The Atmosphere and seas are warming, while the Iceis melting. Now that is a very absolute thing. Like Hortlund put it, you are being pushed backwards from one point to another by pure factum. First it was "It ain't happening", now it is what?

[lazs2]

nice try... no one said that the earth does not change.   If the seas are warming then it is due to nature... core shift... sea floor spreading whatever because... the atmosphere has to heat a lot more than it has in order to affect the sea.

 The sea warming is leading not lagging if you believe that the sea is warming... it should not be warming from the atmosphere this quickly if that is what is happening.  there is some doubt that the sea is warming more than some local areas... since the measurments of even 100 years ago were rudimentary to say the least.   It is fine to show a chart but then to realize that the chart is based on some ancient sailor who couldn't even read, throwing a bucket overboard....

I believe the the earth and sun will cause shifts in climate forever just as they have done up till now and that man is just along for the ride...we are a ant on a dog so far as effect on the dog.  

No one says that we should merrily go about polluting areas that can't recover but... co2 is not pollution..and the atmosphere is not delicate and subject to our whim.

lazs