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Offline Ghastly

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« Reply #30 on: March 09, 2007, 11:51:35 AM »
The other thing that factors into this is the smoothing code.  Your system get's periodic updates from the host regarding his position, direction, and presumably acceleration, and then extrapolates from that his position until the next update. At close distances, if he's changing those constantly, you will see his movements as a series of exaggerated jerks, where at longer distances, a few feet of differential  between the extrapolation and the actual is indistinguishable.

So the end result is .... On his screen, he's jinking to avoid your shot.  On your's, he's micro-warping and snap-flittering in impossible movements.

I've always wished for a game that had a built in "update overdrive"  feature, where when you close to within a hundred yards or so of an enemy, both of your FE's are signaled by the host to send position updates at least twice as (if not more) rapidly to minimize this issue.

But so far, no one I know of has built that into a combat flight sim.

 
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« Reply #31 on: March 09, 2007, 01:37:06 PM »
well lets see...rounds that dont hit till your in the tower or stik stirring to prevent a cherrytard from getting his "victory"  



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« Reply #32 on: March 09, 2007, 02:03:28 PM »
it is called stik stirring and it's only a slight delay in their demise if you're patient.

Personally a good scissor flat or rolling with a little throttle work is much more likely to get them out of sequence and hopefully over shoot......Now they have to stik stir and pray!

The stik stirring is frustrating and gamey I agree.

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« Reply #33 on: March 09, 2007, 03:12:40 PM »
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well lets see...rounds that dont hit till your in the tower or stik stirring to prevent a cherrytard from getting his "victory"  




Being 'cherried' is just another name for flying dumb (alone) near two guys that are flying smart (winging). There are no cherries in AH only lemons.
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« Reply #34 on: March 09, 2007, 03:15:46 PM »
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There are no cherries in AH only lemons.

So lets go make some lemonaide :t

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« Reply #35 on: March 09, 2007, 03:34:06 PM »
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Being 'cherried' is just another name for flying dumb (alone) near two guys that are flying smart (winging). There are no cherries in AH only lemons.

Challenge, your analogy is lame!  This is a game about fighting.  I have too many times waited for a "cherry picker" to engage and even tried to get them to engage by climbing up to them only to have them fly away and climb.  So you just get tired of trying to get the guy to fight, even when he has the advantage.  Eventually you see another plane who is willing to engage and so you start fighting.  A few minutes into the fight you see the little coward cherry picker come roaring in at 500 mph to try to pick you.  It is not smart flying that the cherry picker is doing, it is lame, cowardly, cherry picking!  It brings the game down because there is absolutely no "fight" to it!  When I am on, i like to be fighting, not chasing after some coward who would fly an entire sector back to his base out of icon range just to wait and see if I engage one of his friendlies!  Timid, lame, and unexcusable!
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« Reply #36 on: March 09, 2007, 03:45:28 PM »
Alot of people fly like that. I was just talking to a squaddie the other night saying Id rather die in a 4 on 1, than rtb 2 kills every mission safe.
I just dont see the fun in it. How many missions do you remember where you rtb with a couple kills and it was pure bnz? They all blend in to me. The ones I remember were the tight fights, clawing your way out of it.

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« Reply #37 on: March 09, 2007, 03:53:11 PM »
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Alot of people fly like that. I was just talking to a squaddie the other night saying Id rather die in a 4 on 1, than rtb 2 kills every mission safe.
I just dont see the fun in it. How many missions do you remember where you rtb with a couple kills and it was pure bnz? They all blend in to me. The ones I remember were the tight fights, clawing your way out of it.


we can trade then, i've had enough of getting into a fight to only end up having three more dive in.

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« Reply #38 on: March 09, 2007, 07:23:42 PM »
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No need to stik stir when you hover above a fight and wait for a plane to engage someone else to cherry them!  The Timid Tumor!:aok

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« Reply #39 on: March 09, 2007, 10:53:03 PM »
You cant call it brave or cowardly SkyRock unless you think its real. Its not real its like a cartoon and you cant really die. So it comes down to choice and no matter how you think and how much you yell on 200 you probably wont change the guys mind. So either fly a plane that can catch the guy you are complaining about or dont. Either way live with your choice without debating his and you will be much happier. You think you have a more enlightened way of going at it so be happy with that.
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« Reply #40 on: March 10, 2007, 10:48:39 AM »
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Well, he isn't warping. Just using those elevators in a manner that would make any normal human being puke all over the instrument panel.



Now there's an idea...Too many negative G jinks and you get barf all over the inside of canopy restricting veiws somewhat.
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« Reply #41 on: March 10, 2007, 11:14:03 AM »
LOL that'd be nasty :D

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« Reply #42 on: March 10, 2007, 11:22:57 AM »
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Golly... sorry you've been kilt so many times by my guns Skybleat... :aok

Fly smarter.
The timid tumor!~  LMAO!  You are such a weak game player! :rofl

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« Reply #43 on: March 10, 2007, 11:39:18 AM »
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You cant call it brave or cowardly SkyRock unless you think its real. Its not real its like a cartoon and you cant really die. So it comes down to choice and no matter how you think and how much you yell on 200 you probably wont change the guys mind. So either fly a plane that can catch the guy you are complaining about or dont. Either way live with your choice without debating his and you will be much happier. You think you have a more enlightened way of going at it so be happy with that.

It is exactly how I described.  Tumor who responded in this thread is a prime example.  If I am on and he is in the general vicinity of where I am fighting, I can never get him to fight.  If I try to climb up to fight him, even when he has the advantage, he will run.  Yet he always comes blasting through when you start dancing with another con.  It is feeble gameplay and the type of play that only cowards would enjoy!  I can understand taking up a bird and flying it safe from time to time, but to log on everytime you play and do nothing but hover around waiting for someone to be afk or already in a stalled out fight??????  Weak, skilless, and cowardly!  It doesn't stop me from having my fun, it is just my perception on the issue.  Weak cowardly gametards who get satisfaction out of coming into a fight and suckerpunching someone!  Skilless and woefully punkish in  the larger scope of why one would play a "fight" oriented game! :aok

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« Reply #44 on: March 10, 2007, 11:41:18 AM »
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Now there's an idea...Too many negative G jinks and you get barf all over the inside of canopy restricting veiws somewhat.


Great, I've got some support.

Just think of the poor stirring saps stuck with vomit, blood, and oil all over their canopy. :t