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doobs · « **Reply #45 on:** March 12, 2007, 12:01:05 AM »

Val I'm sorry but I have bitten my tongue more than I want.

But your statement bomber groups have not run an operation they should. Go (&**^&*)yourself

We the JG44 as well as others have run amazing bomber missions.
Guess your better than everybody here.

We invited you to tag along with us in FSO many months ago in buffs, and all you did was mock and disparage us as failures and incompedent during the whole flight.

guess the logs lie, for we couldn't accomplish what we did, cause we and everybody else sucks so bad.

keep up with your great work of your better than all of us attitude

My apploigies to the FSO squads for this outburst, those that know me,know this isn't my style

TracerX · « **Reply #46 on:** March 12, 2007, 12:04:33 AM »

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Originally posted by Valkyrie
Only times I have seen it done right where during Ruhr, and one operation I ran with the 56th back in November where we didn't lose anyone and killed a half a dozen FW's.

Vlkyrie1

If this is your goal, I don't understand how it is supposed to make things better. We all know that a good frame is one that is closely matched. Drone has done a good job so far with a win to both the Axis and Allies. I would just say that the Axis had to have everything go right to win this last frame, and it still felt like we took a beating. There is no reason to believe that the Allied side is disadvantaged in this setup so far. You yourself said you won big on your frame, so how is this setup slanted to the Axis? If either side needs help, it is not the Allies, and if you you think a good frame is where all the bombers survive and the Axis are wiped out, I am not sure you are considering the other side. Remember, these events are historically based, not historically accurate.

REP0MAN · « **Reply #47 on:** March 12, 2007, 12:11:27 AM »

Ok ok ok, I'll let Kermit wear my Sunday dress.....

Will you all quit this pee'in contest?!

BTW: TracerX, we need to go get a beer sometime, see'in you in AZ too.

Valkyrie · « **Reply #48 on:** March 12, 2007, 12:11:28 AM »

Doobs you must not read what I said. Its not that i complain about the results it just you and most everyone are a follow the leader in something like a trial formation.

My question is just how many buffs did you lose and did you do everything to prevent it. I don't think so. But thats fine with me. Talk to anyone who flew frame 2 with the 56th of Mighty eighth.

You were great to work with in Frame 1 and it did go better than it should have largly impart due to your squad.

Anyway I take buff driving seriously but no one else seems to, so I guess I'll just keep flying jugs.

I'm not here to run your group. I know what I want, and how I run my group and our ideas are differen't. You don't believe in formation flying and I do. I enjoy it and I think it helps get buffs home. My guys who didn't fly buffs even enjoyed the formation work.

If your going to jump every time someone says something about your group I don't want to see another post of yours ever.

Vlkyrie1

Valkyrie · « **Reply #49 on:** March 12, 2007, 12:14:06 AM »

TRacer you shouldn't lose more than 4 out of 36 buffs on a good run. 48 is a disaster.

Vlkyrie1

doobs · « **Reply #50 on:** March 12, 2007, 12:22:59 AM »

Val my appoligies for my ouburst.

but again you are wrong, our flight of 17's were locked in tight, and please don't you ever assume how we fly, how the hell do ya think we made it to target.

My question is just how many buffs did you lose and did you do everything to prevent it. I don't think so. But thats fine with me. Talk to anyone who flew frame 2 with the 56th of Mighty eighth.

YES we did, did ya not see we had to fly threw some of the best squads here, as a BUFF group we had the most targets destroyed and most kills, guess you don't look ant the logs

You try flyin past the AK's the 68th the CHawks, FATE and USMC in bombers then talk to me.

And I about never jump on anybody, I'm as respectful as they come, bar none.

And when U have a valid point then come talk otherwise I don't want to hear U ever

But since You have all the answers guess I willl pull my squad from FSO as they are not worthy.

Valkyrie · « **Reply #51 on:** March 12, 2007, 12:27:32 AM »

I am getting way ahead of myself. I haven't seen it done like I do it so I assume it doesn't happen just by the results. It took our group, 56th, close to 20 min to form with an airstart so I assume it can't be done. Maybe I am wrong and I might be.

again my appologies, I am kinda short fuzed
~~vlkyrie~~

Hornet33 · « **Reply #52 on:** March 12, 2007, 12:37:58 AM »

Hmmm should I get in this or not? Tough question but those of you that know me....well here it goes.

Valkyrie, for someone who has been around as long as you say you have you sure do whine like a 12 year old noob.

Now as far as planning large scale bomber missions, I have had the job more times than I can count and many of those were for FSO events. Every one was a success. We hit the target in time and hit our targets hard.

Now you want to claim a victory for frame 1 of this event due to your planning but let me clue you in on a little FACT. The flight plan you gave us (JG44 in the B-17's) didn't have a snowballs chance in hell of reaching our primary target by T+60. I know because I flew it offline 3 times trying to figure out how to do it. The only reason the Allies won frame 1 was because Toadflack and myself took it upon ourselves to come up with a better plan than what you submitted. I personaly spent over 7 hours offline figuring out how to hit the target in time because you didn't want us to launch from anouther base. Had we followed your flight plan the Allies would have been penalized for not hitting the target in time and we would have flown through more fighters than we did, loosing more aircraft than we did.

I know Doobs sent you several e-mails concerning frame 1 based on the testing we did and from what I understand you didn't want to hear about it. Just so you know there was talk about just following your orders and taking the penalty hit to prove a point but we want to win so we did what we had to do.

You didn't plan a brilliant frame and win a victory. JG44 pulled you out of the fire and covered your butt for you so get off your high horse and start acting like a seasoned vet. Take constructive critizism for what it is.

Valkyrie · « **Reply #53 on:** March 12, 2007, 12:40:19 AM »

I'm done this is over. I planned the mission based upon times for climb and cruise and it shouldn't have been a problem. But wait we do have that T+60 rule that is un****** real. So whatever, having 7 hours puts you in the majority that have nothing better to do than run missions. Join the real world.

Vlkryie1

doobs · « **Reply #54 on:** March 12, 2007, 12:45:06 AM »

Thank you, hornet33, one of my buff planners

and there are few better than hornet on buff flights.

without hornet and Toadkill I don't know what I would do.

a big ~~to them~~

Hornet33 · « **Reply #55 on:** March 12, 2007, 12:50:01 AM »

I'm retired so yeah I have time to do stuff like that. What's your point? You didn't have or were unwilling to make the time to plan properly??

Great leadership there buddy. At least my guys KNOW if I plan something, I took the time to actually plan it right.

While we're on this subject, tell you what. I'm giving your squad a bombing mission since I have been asked by Doobs to plan the bomber missions for frame 3. I promise you'll have enough fuel and time to reach the target. We'll look at the logs afterwards and see if you can put your money where your mouth is. Your the expert so I expect massive damage of your target and light losses from your group.

See you in the air.

doobs · « **Reply #56 on:** March 12, 2007, 12:51:14 AM »

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Originally posted by Valkyrie
I'm done this is over. I planned the mission based upon times for climb and cruise and it shouldn't have been a problem. But wait we do have that T+60 rule that is un****** real. So whatever, having 7 hours puts you in the majority that have nothing better to do than run missions. Join the real world.

Vlkryie1

nice attacking a squaddie of mine for taking your plan to task, and since he found flaws in it your response get a real life, that is bush.

You should be glad by your accounts that we the JG44 run the mission ahead of time to see if it is feasible.

but your lateset rebuttle is GET A LIFE

so which is it? are we on spot or do we need to get a life

Think we should leave FSO since we are not worthy

yeaH WE SHOULD GO

Krusty · « **Reply #57 on:** March 12, 2007, 01:21:04 AM »

Whoa, there..... rein those horses back in a bit!

I think this is getting a little out of hand. Can't we... just... (no, I'm not going to say "just get along"!)... take a deep breath, step back, calm down, and get ready for frame 3?

Sled · « **Reply #58 on:** March 12, 2007, 01:23:18 AM »

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Originally posted by doobs
You try flyin past the AK's the 68th the CHawks, FATE and USMC in bombers then talk to me.

HEY!, now why are we LAST on that list?!?!?

Krusty · « **Reply #59 on:** March 12, 2007, 01:25:51 AM »

We were the last out, that's why