Author Topic: Ok, what gun is this? (Read 2074 times)

Airscrew · « **Reply #15 on:** March 14, 2007, 12:50:14 AM »

man this is fun, found more stuff

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=356009

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?uploaddatesearch=2004-06-13

go little more than half way down, you'll see it
42-100847 / L4-B (cn 33119/16371) Preserved at the "Bevrijdende Vleugels" museum in Best, Holland, to remind us of D-day, this weekend 60 years ago. Has fake serials, it is ex F-BAIF, FAF 76787, USAAF 44-76787.

http://www.vankaathoven.nu/Noord%20Brabant.HTM

http://www.danger-zone.fotografeert.nl/homepage/show/pagina.php?paginaid=222220

http://www.dc3history.org/cns/cn16343w33091.htm

16371/33119 44-76787 D24Apr45 - 476787 French AF GT2/15 20May45 - F-BAIF SGACC Aug45 - Air France R02Apr46 - Fretair Feb70 - Ste Uni-AirApr73 - (Jul78) - Wfu at Toulouse/Blagnac May81.

http://www.demobbed.org.uk/images/44-76787.jpg

http://home.att.net/~jbaugher/usafreferences.html
E-mail from Willy Henderickx on 41-217, 44-76787, 43-49728.

http://www.warbirdregistry.org/dc3registry/dak-33119.html

Airscrew · « **Reply #16 on:** March 14, 2007, 12:52:14 AM »

I love this stuff.

http://www.aerotransport.org/spooled/atdb_registrations_148.html

find 44-76787, follow the instructions and click away.

Airframes Profile for: DC-3 msn 33119
1 airframe found - [ Generate Excel ]

Type MSN s/n Engines Built Reg'n Operator IATA Status
C-47B-DK 33119 F-BAIF Uni-Air UF Preserved

Data in section above last updated on 11-Dec-2004 - [ Submit change ]

A single airframe was found. History provided below:

Airframe History of: DC-3 msn 33119
History records 1-5 of 5 - [ Generate Excel ]

Reg'n Type MSN Operator Owners Origin In Out Fate/Became Remarks

44-76787 C-47B-DK 33119 U S AF to FAF 476787

476787 C-47B-DK 33119 Armée de l'Air ex 44-76787
U S AF to Air France F-BAIF

F-BAIF C-47B-DK 33119 Air France ex
FAF 76787 to Fretair

F-BAIF C-47B-DK 33119 Fretair ex
FAF 76787 to Uni-Air

F-BAIF C-47B-DK 33119 Uni-Air ex
FAF 76787 Preserved Best,Eindhoven (Wings of Liberation Museum/Bevrijdende Vleugels, moved from Victory Memorial Museum at Aarlon,E-25,Belgium, as "2100847"/"L4-B") reported at one point as registered F-BIEE and w/o 27/7/78 between Catania and Brindisi (missing): obvious fake acciden possibly for insurance claims

Data in section above last updated on 11-Dec-2004 - [ Submit change ]

hogenbor · « **Reply #17 on:** March 14, 2007, 01:58:29 PM »

Man, you obviously enjoyed doing that. So it has a chequered history, and the registration is fake.

I also found a bit more myself but most of the info is the same as you also found. Thanks for retrieving the completel history of this aircraft!

See the strides the museum has made in recent history I sure hope they find funds to restore it to a somewhat better looking exhibit. All those years outside in the rainy climate we have here can't be good. And how the hell did they get those holes in the windows?

To me the DC-3 is the first truly modern aircraft and it has an elegance youy simply cannot find anymore. Ah well. If I had John Travolta's money I'd buy it and restore it and fly it on Sundays

frank3 · « **Reply #18 on:** March 14, 2007, 05:26:59 PM »

I'd fly it at other days too

Nice to see there's so much information around about 1 single aircraft!

Airscrew · « **Reply #19 on:** March 15, 2007, 12:56:15 PM »

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Originally posted by frank3
I'd fly it at other days too

Nice to see there's so much information around about 1 single aircraft!

I would guess theres at least as much or equal information about alot of the old warbirds. I had a link at one time for a Hawker Typhoon/Tempest website that had info on a bunch of Tempest in flyable and non-flyable condition, some right down to just a pile of parts.

if you look at just the warbird registry they have info on a lot of planes
http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/
thats as good a place to start as any other. If you have at least a tail number, even if its fictious or or incorrect for the plane you can probably still find the correct info because someone out there in the big wide gubernet has taken the time to research some of it.

HB555 · « **Reply #20 on:** March 15, 2007, 01:05:32 PM »

Airscrew,
Your not some type of private investigator, are you?
I'd darn sure hate to have you looking for me...

That is some great detective work.

Airscrew · « **Reply #21 on:** March 15, 2007, 01:18:37 PM »

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Originally posted by HB555
Airscrew,
Your not some type of private investigator, are you?
I'd darn sure hate to have you looking for me...

That is some great detective work.

Here's the tempest page http://www.hawkertempest.se/today.htm

it really not that hard, I googled C-47 2100847, I got hits that led me to the museum website and some of those other places. From them I got the plane's real tail number 44-76787. using that I restarted my search in google and got more hits which got me c/n 33119/16371. I then search again using that. it just depends how much information you are looking for and how much time you have. all that searching I did for that C-47 took about 30 minutes to find including updating it here.

HB555 · « **Reply #22 on:** March 15, 2007, 01:26:02 PM »

Just the same, I am not going to bother changing my name or SSA if I ever decide to rob banks for a living.

Airscrew · « **Reply #23 on:** March 15, 2007, 01:44:24 PM »

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Originally posted by HB555
Just the same, I am not going to bother changing my name or SSA if I ever decide to rob banks for a living.

I bet if I had your phone number I could get your name and address and maybe even your county property tax records in less than an hour, and I wouldnt have to call the phone company either, just depends on what state you're in and who your phone provider is...

HB555 · « **Reply #24 on:** March 15, 2007, 07:51:32 PM »

Not a doubt in my mind that that is possible.
I looked me up one night and the information readilly and freely available is frightening.
Got to run, on the phone to service provider cancelling my phone.

nickf620 · « **Reply #25 on:** March 15, 2007, 11:43:19 PM »

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Originally posted by hogenbor
And how the hell did they get those holes in the windows?

probably some kids shooting it with something

frank3 · « **Reply #26 on:** March 16, 2007, 04:29:15 AM »

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Originally posted by nickf620
probably some kids shooting it with something

Unlike in the USA, guns are prohibited in the Netherlands

I'm guessing it was a thrown rock (or actual battle damage?!

)

OOZ662 · « **Reply #27 on:** March 16, 2007, 08:46:09 AM »

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Originally posted by frank3
(or actual battle damage?! )

Apparently the aircraft was operated by two or three airlines. You figure they'd fix them but hell...they were French afterall.

Airscrew · « **Reply #28 on:** March 16, 2007, 10:23:03 AM »

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Originally posted by frank3
Unlike in the USA, guns are prohibited in the Netherlands

I'm guessing it was a thrown rock (or actual battle damage?! )

hard to say excatly what might have happened. I look at all those links again and on one pic http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=356009 the windows are still in good shape and this was after it was moved to Best. also if you compare that picture to HB's pic then it would appear that the plane has been moved around some and either the damage accured while moving it or vandals.

I wouldnt image battle damage anyway based on the fact the plane wasnt issued overseas until late April 45 and probably was never used operationally by USAAF and then was given to the French in 46 and then convert to a civilian airliner or for freight.

nickf620 · « **Reply #29 on:** March 16, 2007, 11:32:42 AM »

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Originally posted by frank3
Unlike in the USA, guns are prohibited in the Netherlands

I'm guessing it was a thrown rock (or actual battle damage?! )

ohhhh huh didnt know that

man netherlands must suck

jk

how bout bb guns (looks at the picture) a large caliber bb gun