Author Topic: Who is Ron Paul? (Read 13078 times)

rpm · « **Reply #75 on:** May 19, 2007, 02:58:20 AM »

Pat Buchannon can make a lot of sense at times. He's very savvy. Too bad he goes nutjob when running for office.

Eagler · « **Reply #76 on:** May 19, 2007, 06:52:13 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
He would be crucified and his approval rating would be down to 20% in a year.. the democrats would ramp up the media and their trolls and butcher him.

that is the fate of any future POTUS that is not a media fan dem from here on out regardless of what they do

lazs2 · « **Reply #77 on:** May 19, 2007, 09:52:04 AM »

bs.. why not simply dispute what I say. If you can't even stand up to someone who would like to see him make it... how you gonna do against the michel moores and such when they start on the guy.

ron paul has the potential to cause a lot of missery in the US and the planet.

I know that a lot of misery will have to happen to get things set right but... how much can he explain away? the liberals will have a field day.

You don't see libertarians pretending to be democrats... there is no room in the tent for them. ron paul knows he has to pretend to be a republican if he has any chance at all.

I would love to see more libertarians and libertarian thinking in the republican party.. even tho I think the libertarians are egg head wimps.

Imagine the teachers when he calls for vouchers if he has the guts... imagine the churches when he calls for end to vice laws.. Imagine the whole democrat party when he calls for an end to gun control laws and union strangleholds on workplaces...

the libertarian party will always have the problem that there is something there for everyone to hate.

They are percieved to be "souless" they have no compassion is what it looks like and they are such eggheads that they can't make their case in any passionate way...

They can't weep openly and say "do it for the children" like the democrats and they can't work up a tear when the flag is raised like the republicans. They don't show the right amount of emotion when the suffering is paraded out.

They don't believe in god or karl marx and they don't feel guilty about having money.

They will be screwed for a long time to come...

The most they can ever do is to pretend to be republicans.

lazs

SirLoin · « **Reply #78 on:** May 19, 2007, 12:27:02 PM »

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Originally posted by rpm
Pat Buchannon can make a lot of sense at times. He's very savvy. Too bad he goes nutjob when running for office.

Pat shoulda been president..I hope Ron Paul gets elected.

Sandman · « **Reply #79 on:** May 19, 2007, 03:09:23 PM »

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Originally posted by Chairboy
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/PatrickJBuchanan/2007/05/18/but_who_was_right_--_rudy_or_ron?page=full&comments=true

It's an analysis of Giuliani's misstep regarding Ron Paul. Paul being defended by Pat Buchanan of all people.

Thanks for the link. Buchanan gets it.

bsdaddict · « **Reply #80 on:** May 19, 2007, 03:45:02 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
bs.. why not simply dispute what I say.

I'd be repeating myself, I hate that... If you want to be negative that's your deal, for me RP winning would be a dream come true.

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ron paul has the potential to cause a lot of missery in the US and the planet.

I know that a lot of misery will have to happen to get things set right but... how much can he explain away? the liberals will have a field day.

RP has said that in order to effect radical change, we the people will have to examine what we consider the role of gov't to be. I'm already on his side, as many others already are, and hopefully enough people will be converted for him to win. He's really just gotta win the primary, that'll be his biggest challenge. After that he'll be up against Obama or Hillary and then it's the Libertarian/GOP/RP convert vote against the die hard Dems. The Lib vote alone swayed the last election, I feel pretty confident there'll be enough converts to put him over the top. we'll see...

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You don't see libertarians pretending to be democrats... ron paul knows he has to pretend to be a republican if he has any chance at all.

noone's pretending to be anything. libertarians have their roots in the GOP, back when it was still the conservative party, before the neocons took over. RP is perfectly legit, he's no pretender. separate your conception of "party affiliation" and "political philosophy" and you might see things differently.

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I would love to see more libertarians and libertarian thinking in the republican party.. even tho I think the libertarians are egg head wimps.

Imagine the teachers when he calls for vouchers if he has the guts... imagine the churches when he calls for end to vice laws.. Imagine the whole democrat party when he calls for an end to gun control laws and union strangleholds on workplaces...

the libertarian party will always have the problem that there is something there for everyone to hate.

They are percieved to be "souless" they have no compassion is what it looks like and they are such eggheads that they can't make their case in any passionate way...

They can't weep openly and say "do it for the children" like the democrats and they can't work up a tear when the flag is raised like the republicans. They don't show the right amount of emotion when the suffering is paraded out.

They don't believe in god or karl marx and they don't feel guilty about having money.

They will be screwed for a long time to come...

The most they can ever do is to pretend to be republicans.

lazs

nice rant, sounds like you've got it all figured out.

Xargos · « **Reply #81 on:** May 19, 2007, 06:16:43 PM »

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They can't weep openly and say "do it for the children" like the democrats and they can't work up a tear when the flag is raised like the republicans. They don't show the right amount of emotion when the suffering is paraded out.

Emotional Rulers are what got us into problems in the first place.

moot · « **Reply #82 on:** May 20, 2007, 05:32:06 AM »

http://www.petitiononline.com/r0npau1/petition.html
By principle.

lazs2 · « **Reply #83 on:** May 20, 2007, 10:30:38 AM »

bs.. so now you are agreeing with me? ron paul will have to lay out his plans before the election... the democrats and some republicans will give us all the great computer models of all the suffering... weeping children and single moms on TV every night....

I believe that there will have to be some suffering to correct all the damage socialist programs have done in this country... I just don't think anyone can do much about em without being branded a monster at this point.

You say I have a "nice rant".. that I have it all "figured out".. maybe... or maybe I have just kept my eyes open for the last few decades or so and you haven't. It is all pretty obvious stuff.

That being said.. if he wins the republican nomination... a feat much akin to me winning the kalifornia super lotto without ever buying a ticket... If he does that...

and if he is running against a democrat... any democrat... I will most certainly vote for him. I will feel good about the vote but sad that it will be a wasted one...

lazs

bsdaddict · « **Reply #84 on:** May 20, 2007, 11:59:43 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
bs.. so now you are agreeing with me?

I honestly don't know, lazs2. you confuse me. if you think that RP winning would be the best thing to happen for America in the last hundred years or so, then yes, I agree with you. I just choose not to get into all your negativity, it doesn't help anything. We all know RP has a tough road ahead of him, we know his opponents (on both sides) will try to smear him and will use emotional arguements to try to knock his positions. That's why I said "RP has said that in order to effect radical change, we the people will have to examine what we consider the role of gov't to be." if the majority feels OK with an imperialistic welfare state, then RP won't win. But if RP manages to change enough minds... Halleluja!

(PS - do me a favor please, I'd prefer "bsd" (from FreeBSD, a unix OS, I'm a computer geek not a druggie lol), or even "addict", if you must abbreviate. "bs" reminds me of "bull sh&^"))

lazs2 · « **Reply #85 on:** May 21, 2007, 08:24:38 AM »

bsd... (I just skimmed your sig and thought it was bsadddict.. I don't know crap about puters)..

And maybe that is the problem... it is the problem maybe with all libertarians.. they are eggheads.. they live in the academic.. They are percieved to be "souless" by both democrats and republicans.. they seem to be willing to watch suffering without intervention.

This is fine.. I know they mean without government intervention and I am all for that but they SEEM to lack charity. They seem lost in acadamia and not really living on the same planet as the rest of us. They SEEM to lack compassion on a personal level and... they have a very hard row to hoe with legalizing vice.

I just think that we are not ready for a libertarian. Even on this BB.. bring up legalizing drugs and you have half the people going into apoplexy... some of em are ones that agree with a lot of libertarian principals too.

Open borders? How do you think that will go over?

It is so easy to make any libertarian look like a heartless, hedonistic egghead who is not a man of action or compassion that it is silly... they all seem "detached".

That will come through.. just as it always has.

I hope I am wrong and the cat can change it's stripes but I doubt it... I think the more he is in the spotlight the more he will come off as a detached egghead who thinks (and maybe is) he is smarter than the rest of us.

lazs

bsdaddict · « **Reply #86 on:** May 21, 2007, 09:44:44 AM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
bsd... (I just skimmed your sig and thought it was bsadddict.. I don't know crap about puters)..

And maybe that is the problem... it is the problem maybe with all libertarians.. they are eggheads.. they live in the academic.. They are percieved to be "souless" by both democrats and republicans.. they seem to be willing to watch suffering without intervention.

This is fine.. I know they mean without government intervention and I am all for that but they SEEM to lack charity. They seem lost in acadamia and not really living on the same planet as the rest of us. They SEEM to lack compassion on a personal level and... they have a very hard row to hoe with legalizing vice.

I just think that we are not ready for a libertarian. Even on this BB.. bring up legalizing drugs and you have half the people going into apoplexy... some of em are ones that agree with a lot of libertarian principals too.

Open borders? How do you think that will go over?

It is so easy to make any libertarian look like a heartless, hedonistic egghead who is not a man of action or compassion that it is silly... they all seem "detached".

That will come through.. just as it always has.

I hope I am wrong and the cat can change it's stripes but I doubt it... I think the more he is in the spotlight the more he will come off as a detached egghead who thinks (and maybe is) he is smarter than the rest of us.

lazs

libertarians aren't lacking in charity, we just recognize that charity under threat of harm (ex. taxes going to welfare) isn't charity at all, it is theft. As to the rest of your post, it's very possible that America isn't ready for RP. We'll see, I know I'll be doing my part trying to spread the message. Are you just going to continue with all the negative "RP can't win" stuff or what?

moot · « **Reply #87 on:** May 21, 2007, 10:50:45 AM »

bsd, realistic assessment isn't negativity.

Lazs, From what I've seen, Paul gives some pretty down to earth reasoning anytime he's asked for it; in fact I think he manages to be articulate enough that the lack of mis-steps gets almost drone-ish (if anything), more than eggheadish.
I think it's the other candidates who BS and spin things more that come off more far-out and less credible from just that.. talking to people like they're stupid or can't digest unsugar-coated information.

That's just my impression. I do agree he will need a lot more camera time to convince enough voters that he's got the most sensible plan.

lazs2 · « **Reply #88 on:** May 21, 2007, 02:19:20 PM »

bsd... I did not say that libertarians were not charitable... I said that I understood that they do not want money extorted from them for socialist programs. Many, if not most. people percieve this to be uncharitable.

Most sensible people agree with libertarian principles until the details come out.

I can't wait to see what his answers will be when asked about welfare of the "war on drugs" or open borders.

lazs

lazs2 · « **Reply #89 on:** May 21, 2007, 02:20:45 PM »

I would vote for him over any other republican in the primaries and I would most certainly vote for him over any democrat in the election.

I am afraid that I will never have the opportunity to do either tho.

lazs