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« Reply #30 on: March 16, 2007, 07:29:00 PM »
You should red the article on katrina. It is very educational and informative  :rofl

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« Reply #31 on: March 16, 2007, 08:13:41 PM »
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M-16 had problems at first because of dirty ammo, that problem was solved a long time ago.



So...

If you discount all the problems, including jams, breakages, misfeeds, misejections, acuraccy problems and on that DIRECTLY KILLED THOUSANDS OF AMERICAN SOLDIERS...

You still have a plastic gun firing .22 caliber bullets.

And it makes the 10 manliest guns list?
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« Reply #32 on: March 16, 2007, 08:28:48 PM »
It's ok, guys, Lasersailor is an expert on lots of stuff, especially things he doesn't know.

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« Reply #33 on: March 16, 2007, 08:35:47 PM »
Somebody's been watching the history channel too much. :lol

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« Reply #34 on: March 16, 2007, 09:12:10 PM »
Interesting choice.  I bet some day soon the Springfield XD .45 ACP will be on a lot of lists like that.
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« Reply #35 on: March 16, 2007, 09:16:03 PM »
Laser, many of our soldiers carried 12 gauges as back-up weapons while the problem with the ammo was being sorted out.  Bad ammo will cause most of the problems you stated.  A .223 does more damage then you think because it tumbles once it enters the human body, do not underestimate it.

P.S.  Also, plastic does not expand and contract as much as metal does so is less likely to freeze up in cold weather, plus it's lighter.
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« Reply #36 on: March 16, 2007, 09:18:07 PM »
Millions of dead people around the world agree: the 5.56 kills.

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« Reply #37 on: March 16, 2007, 10:31:35 PM »
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So...

If you discount all the problems, including jams, breakages, misfeeds, misejections, acuraccy problems and on that DIRECTLY KILLED THOUSANDS OF AMERICAN SOLDIERS...

You still have a plastic gun firing .22 caliber bullets.

And it makes the 10 manliest guns list?


A shame you know NOTHING of ballistics.    I suggest you do some reading on YET ANOTHER subject you know NOTHING ABOUT.
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« Reply #38 on: March 16, 2007, 11:24:57 PM »
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Laser, many of our soldiers carried 12 gauges as back-up weapons while the problem with the ammo was being sorted out.  Bad ammo will cause most of the problems you stated.  A .223 does more damage then you think because it tumbles once it enters the human body, do not underestimate it.

P.S.  Also, plastic does not expand and contract as much as metal does so is less likely to freeze up in cold weather, plus it's lighter.


Tumbles?  No.  It fragments upon contact with human flesh.  It sort of does a buck shot type thing in human flesh.

The problem is that this does wound, it does not incapacitate.  You don't care if a bullet tickles another man into incapacitation, if he's not firing back at you, or not capable of firing back at you, you are happy.

It's embarrassing that we sent soldiers into battle with sub par weapons, and sub par ammo that couldn't even drop a stereotypical tiny vietnamese man.


Only now, some 50 odd years after it was put in place does it begin to equal the quality of weapon that it replaced.


Want me to go on Mash?  Because I can go on for pages how a simple little army field trial as to the effectiveness of lighter smaller ammo vs. the larger .308 can directly be attributed to the deaths of thousands of american soldiers in vietnam.  Or would that ruin your perfect little world?
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« Reply #39 on: March 16, 2007, 11:33:31 PM »
Most battlefield wounds are from snapshot firings not aimed shots, that is the reason the .223 was chosen.

You need to look up the other reasons that round was chosen instead of looking like you are.
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« Reply #40 on: March 16, 2007, 11:36:58 PM »
Can anyone confirm his price ranges for the Mosin-Nagant and the Swiss K31?

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« Reply #41 on: March 16, 2007, 11:41:15 PM »
Yes, I am paying for collEge.  I have yet to buy any big pieces of art though...


Anyway, all the answers about how I am right are right here: http://www.ammo-oracle.com/body.htm .  But something has corrupted it since I've last visited.  Most of it's still there, but some is just gobbledy gook.  



But if you REALLY want to get into this discussion, I guess I can take 30 minutes from my spring break and spank you pretty bad.
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« Reply #42 on: March 16, 2007, 11:43:23 PM »
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Can anyone confirm his price ranges for the Mosin-Nagant and the Swiss K31?


The MN Prices are correct, but there needs to be something incredible about it for the price to go above 100-125 dollars.  Like stalin once shot it himself, or used it as a dildo.

The K31 prices seem right.  They were around 120-180 at the gun show last weekend.
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« Reply #43 on: March 16, 2007, 11:44:16 PM »
LOL, you don't want no piece of me boy.  

You got all your info from one place, how pathetic.  I bet you also believe everything your professors say as Gods word.  You need to get out into the real world.

P.S.  I'm through with you.  BYE
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« Reply #44 on: March 16, 2007, 11:52:39 PM »
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Tumbles?  No.  It fragments upon contact with human flesh.  It sort of does a buck shot type thing in human flesh.

The problem is that this does wound, it does not incapacitate.  You don't care if a bullet tickles another man into incapacitation, if he's not firing back at you, or not capable of firing back at you, you are happy.

It's embarrassing that we sent soldiers into battle with sub par weapons, and sub par ammo that couldn't even drop a stereotypical tiny vietnamese man.


Only now, some 50 odd years after it was put in place does it begin to equal the quality of weapon that it replaced.


Want me to go on Mash?  Because I can go on for pages how a simple little army field trial as to the effectiveness of lighter smaller ammo vs. the larger .308 can directly be attributed to the deaths of thousands of american soldiers in vietnam.  Or would that ruin your perfect little world?


     The buckshot thing seems strange, as when I was in the Air Force, one
of our brainier security police cleared his weapon in the wrong order and
managed to jack a round into the chamber.

     He then fired it right through the sand filled barrel, making a nice neat
22 caliber hole through top and bottom of the clearing barrel.  No fragments
just nice neat holes..admittedly at as close a range as you can get. :D

     Also we lost 50,000 folks in the Vietnam War..exactly how many of those
were attributed to firing a non-308 round?  What about using 750 lb bombs
rather than 1000 lbers?  Curious how a field trial would be able to quantify
causes of death from a conflict that raged for over a decade on land, sea
and air though.
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