Author Topic: New plane election (Read 31488 times)

Sindon · « **Reply #435 on:** March 25, 2007, 12:32:07 PM »

Yak please. Don't vote in a hanger queen fellas.

TwinBoom · « **Reply #436 on:** March 25, 2007, 12:52:29 PM »

odee you should read a history book once in awhile
french were mearly outnumbered but the luftwaffe:rolleyes:
there where several french aces in ww2
so please remove ur foot from your mouth b4 u speak sir

try this rule

think about what ur going to say
then think about it again
then dont say it

quintv · « **Reply #437 on:** March 25, 2007, 01:36:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Odee
FOCLMGBO! hehehe

Uhm... I don't recall the French having any kind of effective Air Force at all in WW2.

Now in WW1, yes they did, but this is WW2 so...

Guess they must have not had any FAF specials on the history channel.

Grendel · « **Reply #438 on:** March 25, 2007, 01:59:56 PM »

http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/photoreports/bw384/

Brewster BW-384 memorial revelared - 22.3.2007

Finnish air-traffic controllers built a 1:5 scale model airplane to honor their veteran colleagues, the air-traffic controllers of the post World War II generation. Large portion of the first controllers were war pilots, who practically hand-built the Finnish air-traffic control system from scratch when during the late 1940s and 1950s.

The airplane modeled was Brewster fighter BW-384 "White seven", the personal airplane ensign Aarno Siro flew in the last battles of Continuation War against Soviet Union, during summer 1944. Post-war Aarno Siro was one of the first air-traffic controllers and worked as such for 22 years.

BW-384 flew its first flight 5.4.1940 and was delivered to LLv 24 6 days later. During its career BW-384 was flown by for example I. Törrönen, L. Nissinen, L. Pekuri and Aarno Siro. The total flight time of BW-384 was 729 hours and it was removed from operational use in 1952. The plane is credited with 18 aerial victories. Its most successful pilot was Lauri Nissinen with 10 victories in BW-384.

http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/photoreports/bw384/

Fiat G.50/Brewster B-239 fighter pilot Aarno Siro with Messerschmitt 109 pilot Erkki Ehanti in front of BW-384, modeled as Siro's plane from summer 1944.

http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/photoreports/bw384/

Karnak · « **Reply #439 on:** March 25, 2007, 03:07:57 PM »

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Originally posted by Sindon
Yak please. Don't vote in a hanger queen fellas.

Ki-44, J2M3, G.55, Tu-2 and Pe-2 would not be hangar queens.

Bruv119 · « **Reply #440 on:** March 25, 2007, 03:22:35 PM »

only thing against the yak is that its a variant and I would rather see stuff that isnt already represented.

E25280 · « **Reply #441 on:** March 25, 2007, 03:47:44 PM »

18 pages and STILL no love for the ground pounders . . .

The Firefly will be sweet, but they are already considering removing what little anti-aircraft protection the screenshots show.

There is only one solution . . .

We need this.

Why a lowly grunt had to bring this up is unclear. A courts-martial will be established to investigate allegations of dereliction of duty by the squad CO.

Bronk · « **Reply #442 on:** March 25, 2007, 03:52:27 PM »

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Originally posted by E25280
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Quiet you, we're getting a Firefly.

Bronk

Wmaker · « **Reply #443 on:** March 25, 2007, 04:32:42 PM »

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Originally posted by Bronk
You are sadly misinformed. Try getting your info from someplace other than the history channel.

From Zeno's sight

Bell P-39Q Airacobra Vital Statistics

Type : Single seat fighter

Powerplant

One 1,200-hp (895-kW) Allison V-1710-83 liquid-cooled 12 cylinder vee piston engine, three blade Curtiss propeller

Performance

Maximum Speed:

386 mph (621km/h) at 9,500ft 92895 m)

Cruising Speed

200 mph (322k/hr)

Initial Climb: 4,000ft (1220m) per minute

Service Ceiling: 36,000ft (10973m)

Range: 650 miles (1945km)

Weights:

Empty: 5,610lb (2545 kg)

Max. Take-off: 8,400lb (3810kg)

Dimensions

Span: 34 ft 0 in ft (10.36m)

Length: 30 ft 23 in (9.19m)

Height: 11ft 10 in (3.61m)

Wing Area: 213 sq ft (19.79m2)

Armament

1 37mm canon

2 X 0.5 (12.7mm) Browning machine guns in fuselage

2 X 0.5 (12.7mm) Browning machine guns in optional wing pods

Bomb Load

1 X 500 lb (227 kg) bombs,

History Channel, yes...

Those figures seem to be a bit of suspect when looking at the altitude where the topspeed is achieved (assuming you mean the altitude which is in feet is correct

) and the very low cruising speed. Also the max. take off weight is awfully high. Also I don't really buy that climbrate. AHT lists climb rate for Q as 3250fpm with combat power.

Bronk · « **Reply #444 on:** March 25, 2007, 04:41:56 PM »

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Originally posted by Wmaker
History Channel, yes...

Those figures seem to be a bit of suspect when looking at the altitude where the topspeed is achieved (assuming you mean the altitude which is in feet is correct ) and the very low cruising speed. Also the max. take off weight is awfully high. Also I don't really buy that climbrate. AHT lists climb rate for Q as 3250fpm with combat power.

I take exception to what you cut out.

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The specs are similar to what other sites and books give.

Such as on wep HP 1590hp for the P-39 N2, from Americas hundred thousand.
Iv'e seen speeds as low as 350 mph and as high as 399 mph.

I've read climbrate as low as 2500 to 4100.
Cruise 200 to as high as 270.
Also from aht. Gross wt bomber mode 8086, normal load 7570.

I used Zeno's numbers as I was on the sight looking around and it was convenient. Don't think I haven't looked at multiple sources.

Bronk

Wmaker · « **Reply #445 on:** March 25, 2007, 05:02:52 PM »

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Originally posted by Bronk
Don't think I haven't looked at multiple sources.

Did I somehow let you believe otherwise?

AHT is a great and well researched book which consists mostly of primary source material. That is why I tend to believe it. Even the heaviest ferry-configuration listed falls almost 300lbs short of 8400lbs.

4000fpm climb rate just seems a bit optimistic and AHT seems to confirm it. Also the top speeds are achieved well over 10000 feet. Quote from AHT:

"For late model N and Q airplanes increased engine performance above 12000 feet provided some extra speed capability, so the Airacobra could make about 375mph up to 20000 feet before the speed fell off at higher altitudes. The USAAF speed estimates shown for the P-39Q (*) may be optimistic."

*the speeds talked about are flown with MIL power.

Gianlupo · « **Reply #446 on:** March 25, 2007, 06:27:19 PM »

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Originally posted by BaDkaRmA158Th
No G.55 no more ubber planes.

MadFarma, the G.55 is NOT an uberplane, it is just a GOOD plane... nothing more, nothing less. So, please, mind your speech, don't create false perceptions in people who doesn't know much about this plane.

E25280, no love for the ground pounders only because Pyro said they're gonna add an airplane!

Krusty · « **Reply #447 on:** March 25, 2007, 06:29:29 PM »

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Originally posted by Gianlupo
E25280, no love for the ground pounders only because Pyro said they're gonna add an airplane!

I believe his words were they didn't want to bother with the work involved in a 4-engine "heavy". Not until CT is out, is my guess.

Bronk · « **Reply #448 on:** March 25, 2007, 06:34:51 PM »

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Originally posted by Wmaker
Did I somehow let you believe otherwise?

AHT is a great and well researched book which consists mostly of primary source material. That is why I tend to believe it. Even the heaviest ferry-configuration listed falls almost 300lbs short of 8400lbs.

4000fpm climb rate just seems a bit optimistic and AHT seems to confirm it. Also the top speeds are achieved well over 10000 feet. Quote from AHT:

"For late model N and Q airplanes increased engine performance above 12000 feet provided some extra speed capability, so the Airacobra could make about 375mph up to 20000 feet before the speed fell off at higher altitudes. The USAAF speed estimates shown for the P-39Q (*) may be optimistic."

*the speeds talked about are flown with MIL power.

Thats quite interesting, I'd like to see what is was flat out with wep.
Also is climb done at wep or mil power?

Bronk

eskimo2 · « **Reply #449 on:** March 25, 2007, 06:45:07 PM »

I’ll give both of my votes for the P-39.

If we can only give one vote per plane I’ll cast the second for the Buffalo.

BTW, has anyone gone through and tallied the votes?