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Offline mietla

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« Reply #30 on: March 23, 2007, 11:36:26 AM »
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The degradation of modern american society really began with Lincoln.


I could never understand this fascination with Lincoln and crediting him with greatness.
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« Reply #31 on: March 23, 2007, 12:27:43 PM »
You are dead wrong Meitla.

Sometimes government is needed to correct social problems.


Brown v Board of Education
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« Reply #32 on: March 23, 2007, 12:41:12 PM »
Actually, the 14th "fixed" the Brown V Board problem in the approved Constitutional manner.

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« Reply #33 on: March 23, 2007, 12:56:45 PM »
Really?

I mean... reeeeaallly?

1. BvB decision was based on the 14th... so good on you.
2. BvB was necessary because the 14th was 'defined' by earlier courts as allowing 'separate but equal'.
3. So the SC "redefined" the meaning of the constitution.
4. Darned activist judges.
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« Reply #34 on: March 23, 2007, 01:03:09 PM »
Love your spin.

Another way to look at is activist judges made a mistake with Plessy in the same way other activist judges did with Miller.

I don't think you have to be exceptionally smart to understand Section I of the 14th.

But then, there are always some judges who think they are so smart they can twist the meanings of the Constitution.
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« Reply #35 on: March 23, 2007, 02:14:24 PM »
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You are dead wrong Meitla.

Sometimes government is needed to correct social problems.


Brown v Board of Education

Roe v Wade
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« Reply #36 on: March 23, 2007, 04:29:48 PM »
From Ron Paul's web site.

The Ron Paul FREEDOM PRINCIPLES

Rights belong to individuals, not groups.

Property should be owned by people, not government.

All voluntary associations should be permissible -- economic and social.

The government's monetary role is to maintain the integrity of the monetary unit, not participate in fraud.

Government exists to protect liberty, not to redistribute wealth or to grant special privileges.

The lives and actions of people are their own responsibility, not the government's.

Is there anyone that seriously disagrees with any of these points ... why?
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« Reply #37 on: March 23, 2007, 04:45:34 PM »
Because those rules wouldn't allow me to tell you what to do or take your money and give it to others?

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« Reply #38 on: March 23, 2007, 04:57:52 PM »
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Government is not a tool to fix social problems. It is unconstitutional for them to attempt it. As long as the laws apply equally to everyone, their job is done. They have other constitutional duties to tend to, fixing people's lives is not one of them.


Social problems like slavery and other enequities due to race, color or religion, union rights, mine and other workplace safety, child labor, railroad safety and safety of transportation in general, TR era trust busting, civil service reform, all these are social problems that the Fed Government has largely succeeded in fixing.  (looking from a 1835 era perspective)  They are entirely constitutional as ruled by the SC.
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« Reply #39 on: March 23, 2007, 07:13:10 PM »
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You are dead wrong Meitla.

Sometimes government is needed to correct social problems.


Brown v Board of Education


I am dead right MT. Just because it is expedicious and convenient does not make it constitutional.

Some people think that government is "needed" to make sure that everyone earns the same income.

We should never allow the government to run our little errands for us. Once we do, it is just a matter of time when we are slaves in a totalitarian system.

For the "greater good" of course.
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« Reply #40 on: March 23, 2007, 07:18:41 PM »
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Really?

I mean... reeeeaallly?

1. BvB decision was based on the 14th... so good on you.
2. BvB was necessary because the 14th was 'defined' by earlier courts as allowing 'separate but equal'.
3. So the SC "redefined" the meaning of the constitution.
4. Darned activist judges.


you are right, Darned activist judges. Just because you like the outcome does not make it right.

BvB was not necessary. If "separate but equal" was perceived to be problem and 14th allowed it, do the right thing and amend the 14th.

CONSTITUTIONALLY!
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« Reply #41 on: March 23, 2007, 07:21:17 PM »
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From Ron Paul's web site.

The Ron Paul FREEDOM PRINCIPLES

Rights belong to individuals, not groups.

Property should be owned by people, not government.

All voluntary associations should be permissible -- economic and social.

The government's monetary role is to maintain the integrity of the monetary unit, not participate in fraud.

Government exists to protect liberty, not to redistribute wealth or to grant special privileges.

The lives and actions of people are their own responsibility, not the government's.

Is there anyone that seriously disagrees with any of these points ... why?


tell me MT, which ones scare you and why?
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« Reply #42 on: March 23, 2007, 07:29:03 PM »
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Social problems like slavery and other enequities due to race, color or religion, union rights, mine and other workplace safety, child labor, railroad safety and safety of transportation in general, TR era trust busting, civil service reform, all these are social problems that the Fed Government has largely succeeded in fixing.  (looking from a 1835 era perspective)  They are entirely constitutional as ruled by the SC.


well yeah, the key phrase is "as ruled by the SC".
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« Reply #43 on: March 23, 2007, 07:57:25 PM »
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The true measure of a democracy is not in how well it serves the majority, but in how well it protects the rights of the minority.


1. We are not a democracy.

2. We are being ruled by the tyrrany of the minority due to the current misconduct of judges in the U.S.  I think our diverse and highly populous minority have got quite a strangle hold on 1/3 of the U.S.'s short hairs by virtue of the back breaking efforts that 1/3 has been indoctrinated into through judicial misconduct to fear ruffeling even one hair on only one of the minorities brow. At which point the constitution is thrown out the window because it does not include a protection from having one's hair ruffled upon ones brow in public. I have it on good authority it's hidden in the 1st Amendmant. It's just us 1/3rdr's are incapable of seeing it.............

Democracy and rights of the minority remids me of the crapola I was fed in a Social Justice class by a Marxist professor at the University of Maryland in 1975. Same semantic lingo...dejavu.....
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« Reply #44 on: March 23, 2007, 09:10:20 PM »
Some people are just scared of loosing their free lunch.
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