Author Topic: The Smart Choice (Read 1145 times)

Wmaker · « **Reply #15 on:** March 23, 2007, 05:40:54 PM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
Brewster had smaller wing area than the F4F-4, much less power in the engine, less firepower. Less power + smaller wing area = less turn capability compared to the F4F-4. It was very slow, and unless you model the version with armor (weighing it down more) it would light up faster than an a6m2.

I really think that the only reason the Finns want it is national pride, and hell I can sympathize, but they make it out to be some super plane where it wasn't, IMO. The performance was all based on the Finn fighters, not the aircraft used.

Krusty,

This bit right here demostrates your complete lack of understanding even the most elemental factors which affect to the turning ability of an aircraft.

You are totally ignoring wing loading.

Wingloadings:
B-239: 126.7 kg/m²
F4F-4: 149.2 kg/m²

You were talking about power, lets look at the powerloading:
B-239: 2.6 kg/hp (with continious power, 950hp)
F4F-4: 3.0 kg/hp

Brewster would climb and turn better than the F4F-4 and would have a better roll rate. Brewster would also be clearly slower than F4F-4.

So your statement is (once again) complete nonsense.

Finns got their fuel tanks shot up and leaking but I haven't heard a single case where they caught fire, maybe soviets used mostly full metal jackets instead of incendiary rounds but that is the case anyway. Even if it would caught fire that doesn't prevent the Zeke being in AH either.

In higher altitudes it would be around 50km/h slower than A6M2, on the deck the speeds would be virtually identical (265,4 mph for the Brewster). I don't remeber seeing anyone disputing the fact that it would be the slowest fighter in the game so far.

National pride? Well, Gianlupo wants his G.55, Americans want P-39, B-25 and A-26 and so on. I don't see anything bad in wanting to fly the planes of one's country used during WWII.

Find me one quote where a finn on this board seriously claimed Brewster being "some super plane". I challenge you to find it. I don't see anyone claiming it was a super plane. It would be the slowest fighter in the game but a damn fun one at that.

EDIT/About the firepower, it would have the same guns but better placed than certain escort fighter over Berlin during '44/EDIT

Shane · « **Reply #16 on:** March 23, 2007, 05:56:59 PM »

I'd go with:

late oscar
jack
b-25
p-39

IJA definitely needs a little expansion. so could VVS (but data hard to acquire).

the tojo is just a ija FW in the sense it was designed to, heh, intercept the b-29's.

brewster... meh... too limited in scope...

Karnak · « **Reply #17 on:** March 23, 2007, 06:14:57 PM »

Ki-44 was designed WAY before B-29s were even a hint to Japan.

Dace · « **Reply #18 on:** March 23, 2007, 06:18:01 PM »

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Originally posted by Wmaker
Krusty,

This bit right here demostrates your complete lack of understanding even the most elemental factors which affect to the turning ability of an aircraft.

You are totally ignoring wing loading.

Wingloadings:
B-239: 126.7 kg/m²
F4F-4: 149.2 kg/m²

You were talking about power, lets look at the powerloading:
B-239: 2.6 kg/hp (with continious power, 950hp)
F4F-4: 3.0 kg/hp

Brewster would climb and turn better than the F4F-4 and would have a better roll rate. Brewster would also be clearly slower than F4F-4.

So your statement is (once again) complete nonsense.

Finns got their fuel tanks shot up and leaking but I haven't heard a single case where they caught fire, maybe soviets used mostly full metal jackets instead of incendiary rounds but that is the case anyway. Even if it would caught fire that doesn't prevent the Zeke being in AH either.

In higher altitudes it would be around 50km/h slower than A6M2, on the deck the speeds would be virtually identical (265,4 mph for the Brewster). I don't remeber seeing anyone disputing the fact that it would be the slowest fighter in the game so far.

National pride? Well, Gianlupo wants his G.55, Americans want P-39, B-25 and A-26 and so on. I don't see anything bad in wanting to fly the planes of one's country used during WWII.

Find me one quote where a finn on this board seriously claimed Brewster being "some super plane". I challenge you to find it. I don't see anyone claiming it was a super plane. It would be the slowest fighter in the game a but a damn fun one at that.

EDIT/About the firepower, it would have the same guns but better placed than certain escort fighter over Berlin during '44/EDIT

I ask you plz...for the love of the game.....vote with practicality rather than sentiment....I know u guys are smarter than that. IMHO the Brewster, although fun, would ultimatley bring very little to the game.

Xjazz · « **Reply #19 on:** March 23, 2007, 06:45:10 PM »

Wmaker, it's useless to tell anything to this K dude.

IMO He IS a self promoted specialist of every area. Something like : My room AH2 h2h were a big suck because HIS PII CPU didn't make it... and so on. Just look to the this board.

K, blow some more air in that 'duck' of yours...

Shane · « **Reply #20 on:** March 23, 2007, 06:58:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Karnak
Ki-44 was designed WAY before B-29s were even a hint to Japan.

i still think the jack would have a more versatile role over the tojo.

Karnak · « **Reply #21 on:** March 23, 2007, 07:23:30 PM »

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Originally posted by Shane
i still think the jack would have a more versatile role over the tojo.

Probably true. It has cannons.

Krusty · « **Reply #22 on:** March 23, 2007, 07:53:35 PM »

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Originally posted by Xjazz
Wmaker, it's useless to tell anything to this K dude.

IMO He IS a self promoted specialist of every area. Something like : My room AH2 h2h were a big suck because HIS PII CPU didn't make it... and so on. Just look to the this board.

K, blow some more air in that 'duck' of yours...

OMFG... dude... for 1: you warped whenever I joined. Others didn't. For 2: My GOD man that was years ago!

Dude. Talk about holding a grudge.

EDIT: And I only made 1 comment about your hosting. Then I stopped joining your room. End of story. I moved on. You, apparently, have harbored a grudge -- what? -- more than 2 years after the fact?

humble · « **Reply #23 on:** March 23, 2007, 08:18:21 PM »

you see plenty of EW planes in the LW arena....

No question the late war Ki-43 would be a quick favorite for some. 2 cowl mounted 20mm.... Ki-61 is already drastically underestimated by many. The P-39Q would be a pretty dominant plane at the normal altitudes MA combat takes place at. The plane was an excellent turner with good low alt performance overall. Should easily out perform the F6F....

Krusty · « **Reply #24 on:** March 23, 2007, 09:19:18 PM »

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Originally posted by humble
you see plenty of EW planes in the LW arena....

He's right. Just because it's an early plane doesn't mean it won't kick arse in the LWA's.

FrodeMk3 · « **Reply #25 on:** March 23, 2007, 10:40:45 PM »

Why has'nt anyone mentioned that the Oscar would outturn anything else in the game, including the Zeke???

This thing would be a mean machine in a Low-alt furball, such as those between a CV and a land field.

Wmaker · « **Reply #26 on:** March 25, 2007, 10:36:59 AM »

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Originally posted by Wmaker
Wingloadings:
B-239: 126.7 kg/m²
F4F-4: 149.2 kg/m²

You were talking about power, lets look at the powerloading:
B-239: 2.6 kg/hp (with continious power, 950hp)
F4F-4: 3.0 kg/hp

I used a bit too high weight for the Brewster and G-5 Cyclone's WEP (1000hp) actually is usable for 5 minutes. So here are the corrected values, the difference is even clearer:

Wingloadings (with normal takeoff weight):
B-239: 124.5 kg/m²
F4F-4: 149.2 kg/m²

Powerloading:
B-239: 2.4 kg/hp
F4F-4: 3.0 kg/hp

Peak climbrates:
B-239: 2530 ft/min (with MIL power)
F4F-4: 2450 ft/min