Author Topic: new way forward (Read 670 times)

Eagler · « **on:** March 27, 2007, 07:37:48 PM »

Senate Signals Support for Iraq Timeline

Three months after Democrats took power in Congress, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said the moment was at hand to "send a message to President Bush that the time has come to find a new way forward in this intractable war."

Seems they do not even know the difference between forward and backward now ... the dems must think retreating in defeat is " a new way foward".

john9001 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 27, 2007, 07:42:15 PM »

bush will veto it , and they don't have the votes to override the veto.

so it is all political posturing for the 2008 elections.

Cypher · « **Reply #2 on:** March 27, 2007, 07:50:00 PM »

the only reason the bill that had the surrender date in it even passed is because it contained about 20 billion dollars worth of bribes

namvet · « **Reply #3 on:** March 27, 2007, 07:52:01 PM »

Dems finally do something right.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #4 on:** March 27, 2007, 08:00:12 PM »

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Originally posted by namvet
Dems finally do something right.

Heh! Check out the pork attached to that!
FWIW, they plan to propose the biggest increase in taxes since 1941 soon.

http://victorycaucus.com/supplemental_senate.php

Follow the link for the particulars;

first page

The President shall commence the phased redeployment of United States forces from Iraq not later than 120 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, with the goal of redeploying, by March 31, 2008, all United States combat forces from Iraq

Benchmarks for the Government of Iraq

Benchmarks for Certain Reconstruction Assistance For Iraq

$24 million for funding for sugar beets.

$3 million for funding for sugar cane (goes to one Hawaiian co-op).

$20 million for insect infestation damage reimbursements in Nevada, Idaho, and Utah.

$2.1 billion for crop production losses.

$1.5 billion for livestock production losses.

$100 million for Dairy Production Losses.

$13 million for Ewe Lamb Replacement and Retention Program.

$32 million for Livestock Indemnity Program.

$40 million for the Tree Assistance Program.

$100 million for Small Agricultural Dependent Businesses.

$6 million for North Dakota flooded crop land.

$35 million for emergency conservation program.

$50 million for the emergency watershed program.

$115 million for the conservation security program.

$18 million for drought assistance in upper Great Plains/South West.

Provision that extends the availability by a year $3.5 million in funding for guided tours of the Capitol. Also a provision allows transfer of funds from holiday ornament sales in the Senate gift shop.

$165.9 million for fisheries disaster relief, funded through NOAA (including $60.4 million for salmon fisheries in the Klamath Basin region).

$12 million for forest service money (requested by the president in the non-emergency FY2008 budget).

$425 million for education grants for rural areas – (Secure Rural Schools program).

$640 million for LIHEAP.

$25 million for asbestos abatement at the Capitol Power Plant.

$388.9 million for funding for backlog of old Department of Transportation projects.

$22.8 million for geothermal research and development.

$500 million for wildland fire management.

$13 million for mine safety technology research.

$31 million for one month extension of Milk Income Loss Contract program (MILC)

$50 million for fisheries disaster mitigation fund.

$100 million for security at the Presidential Candidate Nominating Conventions

$2 million for the University of Vermont

namvet · « **Reply #5 on:** March 27, 2007, 08:10:09 PM »

Beats the **** out of "$1 Trillion to waste hajis for no good reason."

Holden McGroin · « **Reply #6 on:** March 27, 2007, 08:20:53 PM »

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Originally posted by Ripsnort

$388.9 million for funding for backlog of old Department of Transportation projects.

Bridge to nowhere anyone?

Eagler · « **Reply #7 on:** March 27, 2007, 08:23:37 PM »

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Originally posted by namvet
Beats the **** out of "$1 Trillion to waste hajis for no good reason."

it does?

bj229r · « **Reply #8 on:** March 27, 2007, 08:32:20 PM »

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Originally posted by namvet
Beats the **** out of "$1 Trillion to waste hajis for no good reason."

Theres ALways a good reason to do that--but it's moot to say we oughtn't have gone in--we leave, and many good people will get slaughtered, and Iraq will become another Lebanon--an Iranian proxy

Not TOO many peeps are in favor of it either:

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UPI Poll: Results on Dems' Iraq plan

Published: Mar. 27, 2007 at 12:01 PM
A strong plurality of participants in a UPI-Zogby International poll views the congressional Democrats' plan for a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq very unfavorably.

Democrats have drawn up legislation on funding for the war in Iraq that includes a plan to have the U.S. military out of Iraq by September 2008. U.S. President George Bush, who also has problems with other sections of the bill, has promised to veto the measure if it passes in the Senate.

While a total of 46.8 percent of those asked were either "very favorable" (20.8 percent) or "somewhat favorable" (26 percent) of the Democrats' plan, 40.2 percent -- the largest percentage for a single choice -- gave an answer of "very unfavorable" and 8.8 percent were "somewhat unfavorable."

While 74 percent of Republicans viewed the plan before the U.S. Congress "very unfavorably," 43.3 percent of Democrats were in the "somewhat favorable" and 38.9 percent were in the "very favorable" camps.

The Zogby interactive poll of 4,824 U.S. residents was conduced March 14-16 and has a margin of error or 1.4 percentage points.

namvet · « **Reply #9 on:** March 27, 2007, 08:35:29 PM »

Hitler would be proud of you two.

bj229r · « **Reply #10 on:** March 27, 2007, 08:41:43 PM »

Ahh the last refuge of the leftist debater--the 'Hitler' tactic

namvet · « **Reply #11 on:** March 27, 2007, 08:43:59 PM »

Fascist is as fascist does.

bj229r · « **Reply #12 on:** March 27, 2007, 08:54:03 PM »

"Hitler" and "Fascist"---that's the same insult twice...learn that in Ivy League school?

x0847Marine · « **Reply #13 on:** March 27, 2007, 08:55:05 PM »

You people cant seriously entertain the idea the idiot liars that got us into this disaster can actually fix it? Is one party going to suddenly get a 1st time ever injection of competence?

The repubs and Dems are just too stupid, petty, incompetent and consumed with serving their party masters to come up with any reasonable plan that has a hope in hell of succeeding.

Lets not forget the fact that a perceived "US / Zionist / Jew" (whatever rhetoric) installed puppet govt in Iraq that will be doomed to fail, especially now that Irans traditional enemy is gone and they have plenty of time & money to screw things up.

This will be no different than our first failed experiment in bringing democracy to the middle east, aka 'the shaw'. And thanks to the anarchy we brought to Iraq anti govt forces can thrive in that area forever and be a thorn in every-ones sphincter.

By the way, would you be any different if some foreign troops came stomping in, ruined your quality of life, probably killed some friends or arrested others with no charges, trial or due process while they rotted in a place like Abu Ghraib? you know that US troops routinely kick in doors, search houses and with no warrants.. would you stand for foreign troops doing this to you? at your house?

I appreciate why our guys have to do this and I agree they should be allowed to do so since it will save US troops lives, but I'm bias.. if it was my home, friends and life being violated for years on end while a bunch of idiot politicians 1/2 across the world bickered as I suffered, I'd start taking some of them out myself.

Mickey1992 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 27, 2007, 08:58:24 PM »

The Dems lost all credibility when they attached all that pork to that bill. Please dear God let there be a viable third-party candidate in 2008.