Author Topic: Say NO to the Brewster Buffalo (Read 2912 times)

morfiend · « **Reply #45 on:** March 29, 2007, 08:44:13 PM »

Bodhi,check ur pm's plz.

Squire · « **Reply #46 on:** March 29, 2007, 09:06:22 PM »

"How the heck does Don't Vote for Buffalo rate over 42 replies?"

As opposed to the "I Pwned you BiSh noob!!! I wasnt Hoing I was front quarter wooT Im de bomb Z rule!!!" threads? only to be locked by Skuzzy at 150 replies?

CPW · « **Reply #47 on:** March 29, 2007, 09:21:03 PM »

I must say, if we consider production number first, it would be always American planes. Maybe you guys just want to fly them,but I think that is not good to this game.

The better way I wonder is when we add an alliance aircraft,we should try to add another one for Axis.

Iron_Cross · « **Reply #48 on:** March 29, 2007, 09:28:37 PM »

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Originally posted by Shifty
What is the difference between the F2A, and the Brewster Model 239?

It seems the Finnish Model 239 Buffalo had a bit more success than the USN or RAF F2A Buffalos. Was it just the lack of the heavy gear needed to operate from CV's that made the 239 a better Brewster?

Pretty accurate assesment there Shifty. The 239 did not have the heavy aresting gear, heavy pilot armor, heavy long-range radio, and sea survival equipment that the Navalised F2A had. With the F2A-2 they added more armor and equipment and loaded down the airframe. Consequently the performance suffered greatly. They redesigned it, they put another more powerful engine in the F2A-3, but again loaded more equipment into it.

The designers tried to improve the performance by increasing the engines power output, but increasingly negated the power gains by adding equipment that hurt performance.

The 239 had a performance just a little worse than a Japanese Zero. The turning radius was a few feet greater in the 239, and the Zero was faster, and could climb faster, but like all American planes the Brewster could dive better than the Zero, and take more punnishment.

folkwufe · « **Reply #49 on:** March 29, 2007, 09:58:19 PM »

yep, 15 out of 25 were downed over midway, but we musn't forget that the planes don't fly themselves. Most of those pilots were inexperienced with a portion of flying time that there counterparts, the japense (many of them aces) had. so dont let that keep you from voting for it.

But, it only had 3 50 cals, 1 in the nose and one in each wing and a 30 cal in the nose.

Squire · « **Reply #50 on:** March 29, 2007, 10:11:17 PM »

As I pointed put in another thread, your basing its entire career on a single air combat that took place on June 4th 1942, where 19 F2As and 7 F4Fs intercepted 118 IJN a/c over Midway island, 36 of them A6M2s. None of the USMC pilots had ever flown in combat. So its a very slanted view. You could point out other a/c that had bad days too, that are much more famous.

And according to the Japanese, they put up a tough fight.

Sincraft · « **Reply #51 on:** March 29, 2007, 11:00:45 PM »

Um, then let the fins make their own game - and host it on their turf, and create a game totally around their war machines?

It's like making a game about American Idol, then having people sing in German?

Have we gone this PC in the US today. Jesus if socialism isn't enough on our turf, why are we trying to bend it to apply toward 'foreigners'??

*flame away libs!*

Charge · « **Reply #52 on:** March 30, 2007, 12:52:41 AM »

LLv34 Jarsci · « **Reply #53 on:** March 30, 2007, 01:34:35 AM »

I smell fear.....fear of losing vote for Brewster!

Crawl back under the rock and shiver, we´re coming! (and this is not a line from xxx movie..)

tedrbr · « **Reply #54 on:** March 30, 2007, 01:42:42 AM »

Brewster Buffalo. First monoplane used by USN. One wing away from being a Stearman.

Grendel · « **Reply #55 on:** March 30, 2007, 04:16:13 AM »

Say YES to Brewster!

On left: Mr. Aarno Siro, alongside a model of the Brewster fighter he flew in the summer battles of 1944.

This particular plane, BW-384, is credited with 18 Soviet planes shot down.

More photos of BW-384 model, revealed only last week, here:

http://www.virtualpilots.fi/feature/photoreports/bw384/

Grendel · « **Reply #56 on:** March 30, 2007, 04:24:01 AM »

By the way, do not forget that not just US and Finland operated Brewsters... Other users were Belgium, Holland, Great Britain and Australia.

Commonwealth

The Commonwealth squadrons in Asia claimed a 2:1 kill ratio against the Japanese. Three Commonwealth pilots became aces on the Buffalo; the highest scoring of them, Geoff Fisken finished as the highest scoring Commonwealth pilot in the Pacific Theatre.

Netherlands East Indies

The ML-KNIL (Militaire Luchtvaart van het Koninklijk Nederlands-Indisch Leger: Military Aviation of the Royal Netherlands-Indies Army) had ordered 144 Brewster B-339C and 339D models, the former with used engines supplied by the Dutch and the latter with new and more powerful engines that Brewster purchased from Wright. Only 71 had arrived in the Netherlands East Indies by the time war began, and not all were in service. Some served briefly at Singapore before being withdrawn for the defense of Java.

As the Dutch Buffaloes were lighter than the F2A-3 used by the US, they were able to successfully dogfight the Japanese Nakajima Oscar fighter, although it was still out-turned by the Mitsubitshi Zero. Apart from their role as fighters, they were also used as dive bombers against Japanese troopships. Though reinforced by the Commonwealth Buffaloes retreating from Malaya, the Dutch squadrons were unable to stem the superiority of Japanese forces at ground level, and they flew their last mission on 7 March. Altogether 17 Dutch pilots were killed, 30 Buffaloes were shot down, 15 were destroyed on the ground, and several were lost to misadventure. in return, Dutch pilots claimed 55 enemy aircraft destroyed. In a major engagement on 19 February 1942, eight Dutch Brewsters intercepted a formation of about 35 Japanese bombers, which had an escort of about 20 Zeroes. The Dutch pilots destroyed 11 Japanese planes and lost four Buffaloes.

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And what other plane can claim such a beautiful nickname as "Sky Pearl"...

As the Finnish Brewster pilots still affectinally call it "The Pearl of the Northnern Skies"...

Vote sensible. Vote for a great piece of aviation history. Vote for Brewster!

Shifty · « **Reply #57 on:** March 30, 2007, 07:45:59 AM »

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Originally posted by Iron_Cross
Pretty accurate assesment there Shifty. The 239 did not have the heavy aresting gear, heavy pilot armor, heavy long-range radio, and sea survival equipment that the Navalised F2A had. With the F2A-2 they added more armor and equipment and loaded down the airframe. Consequently the performance suffered greatly. They redesigned it, they put another more powerful engine in the F2A-3, but again loaded more equipment into it.

The designers tried to improve the performance by increasing the engines power output, but increasingly negated the power gains by adding equipment that hurt performance.

The 239 had a performance just a little worse than a Japanese Zero. The turning radius was a few feet greater in the 239, and the Zero was faster, and could climb faster, but like all American planes the Brewster could dive better than the Zero, and take more punnishment.

Thanks Iron Cross.

MINNOW · « **Reply #58 on:** March 30, 2007, 08:42:57 AM »

Its big, ugly and a glorified F4F...... NO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wilbus · « **Reply #59 on:** March 30, 2007, 08:49:06 AM »

Are you ever gonna stop with these "say NO" threads? Let people vote on whatever plane they wish.

Or we could just add a "say NO" thread to every one of the new planes and give different reasons.

How about NO to a Me410, A26 and B25 as we have alot of LW and US planes already? A specially big NO to the B25 as we have enough US bombers already.