Author Topic: I'm voting for the ME-410 (Read 1212 times)

tedrbr · « **Reply #15 on:** March 28, 2007, 07:19:01 PM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
It's just going to be cannon fodder for the fighters in the game, just like it was in real life. While it was moderately successful against the Allied heavy bombers, it was out classed by single engine fighters in a dogfight.

And, IIRC, much of that success as a bomber destroyer was a NIGHT..... which we ain't got in the arenas.

Treize69 · « **Reply #16 on:** March 28, 2007, 07:32:55 PM »

No, it was used primarily against the US heavies and as a light Schlacht bomber.

The 110 was the one used at night.

Should we get rid of it since we don't have night?

teufl · « **Reply #17 on:** March 28, 2007, 07:49:22 PM »

Actually like was stated, in AH, the slower the plane the better the turn radius, so turn and HO turn and HO oh my a 110 wanna be! Pick the p39, we need a EA plane that can out HO the hurri 2c:O

Kurt · « **Reply #18 on:** March 28, 2007, 08:31:50 PM »

I voted 410 this round because I just like them and always have...

I think the Yak and the G55 are interesting too, but not enough.

All of the bombers proposed are twin engine medium bombers that AH already has plenty of (although I would love to see the HE111)...

The Buffalo was obsolete before the first shot of the war was fired.. I see it only getting used for scenarios, it would be a M.A. hanger queen. I think the p39 would suffer the same fate.

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #19 on:** March 28, 2007, 08:55:40 PM »

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Originally posted by Treize69
I'll believe it'll be slaughtered when it starts happening to the 110 and Hurricane. "Outclassed" planes in AH have a nasty tendancy to perform much better than they ever did IRL.

The Bf110 9 out of 10 times gets slaughtered in the MA.

3-5 times the Hurricane gets slaughtered unless it runs into an inexperienced pilot that goes nose to nose with one and gets HO'd.

ack-ack

teufl · « **Reply #20 on:** March 28, 2007, 09:18:16 PM »

My vote for the p 39 is really only because I would like to see more of a variey in the EA arena, where I think it might do fairly well. Other arenas, well it would be about the same as the yak 9 T, used rarely and only by the curious..........

Treize69 · « **Reply #21 on:** March 28, 2007, 10:26:36 PM »

I've watched a 110 pull a 1-man Lufberry circle in the middle of a furball and survive more times than I can count. Or turn inside its own track and HO someone who was within 600 yards at over 350 MPH.

And I've also had a Hurricane IIC follow me in a 450mph dive, pull out easier than my P-51, close the distance and 1 ping de-wing me or pluck my tail, then zoom back up on his merry way like he was in a damn Sea Fury. Or 1-ping pilot kill you from 1,200 yards out.

If the Hurricane was that good IRL, they wouldn't have needed the Spitfire.

morfiend · « **Reply #22 on:** March 28, 2007, 10:45:29 PM »

I'd like to se the 410,simply because it could be modeled for high alt work.
The axis need a high alt bomber destroyer,the 110's we presently have just are too slow at alt.

kamilyun · « **Reply #23 on:** March 28, 2007, 11:33:58 PM »

Kurt · « **Reply #24 on:** March 29, 2007, 12:11:13 AM »

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Originally posted by Treize69
Already testing it, image photoshopped for historical feel.

Treize,
You guys may have seen me mention in the past that my Grandfather in-law was a b17 squadron commander and took one of the very few actual combat photos of a 410...

This photo you posted is the photo he took... My brother in law has the original.

Notice the BIG hole out there in the wing near the 'H' insignia... Thats that was punched in them by that big cannon... No surprise they were happy it went through nothing but sheet metal.

I don't suppose you have a larger resolution of the photo? I would love to have a digital version of it, but he doesn't have a scanner and won't let me take the photo out. It has only been published a few times, and I haven't ever seen it online.

Thanks.

moot · « **Reply #25 on:** March 29, 2007, 01:35:51 AM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
3-5 times the Hurricane gets slaughtered unless it runs into an inexperienced pilot that goes nose to nose with one and gets HO'd.

I agree the 110 has the odds against it, being such a large target (which is enough to offset the mossie's otherwise above avg. furball performance) in addition to everything else, but the Hurricane doesn't have that much trouble surviving, if you are patient enough to rtb after killing all the reds or running out of ammo.
I have been furballing with the HurriD, and unless you are alone against too many cons to handle (which is around the same proportions for almost every fighter plane, +- 4:1), you can do pretty well.
Definitely better than average, not slaughtered at all.
And I don't HO.

Barring any freak FM characteristics on par with the Mossie's, the 410 would probably not be very far from either side of average, in the MA.

Nilsen · « **Reply #26 on:** March 29, 2007, 01:48:57 AM »

110 is extremly successful in AH as a jabo. The 410 should be just as good and do better up high (depending on the version and gun uption we get) plus it has more sex apeal than the 110

I would like to know what 410 version we are voting for tho.

Viking · « **Reply #27 on:** March 29, 2007, 01:59:58 AM »

People who say a plane is over modeled or under modeled based on its performance in the arenas compared to historical records is missing the very important fact that the arenas are nothing like real life. Take a squadron of Hurricanes up to 15k and face them off with a sqd of 109E's that flies like a squadron should ... the Hurricanes will get slaughtered.

In real life the Me 410 did well against the allied bombers until they faced superior numbers of superior performing allied fighters. In one 1944 engagement a Me 410 staffeln lost 12 planes. Not very surprising considering they were jumped by 20 Mustangs at 25k.

In the arena a single Me 410 at low altitudes may very well prevail against a single Mustang a with a crybaby noob at the controls, who has little or no understanding of the differences between arena and real life … and who goes on to cry about it on the bbs.

I voted for the Me 410.

kamilyun · « **Reply #28 on:** March 29, 2007, 02:22:02 AM »

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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
The Bf110 9 out of 10 times gets slaughtered in the MA.

3-5 times the Hurricane gets slaughtered unless it runs into an inexperienced pilot that goes nose to nose with one and gets HO'd.

ack-ack

Your first statement is surprisingly true:

110 vs Bishops: 4900 kills to 5465 deaths = 0.89 ratio
110 vs Knits: 4091 to 5320 = 0.76
110 vs Rooks: 3873 to 5846 = 0.66

However, your 2nd statement is not, unless 75% of the people qualify as noobs:

HOicane vs Bish 5989 kills to 3246 deaths = 1.85
HOicane vs Knits 6445 kills to 3541 = 1.82
HOicane vs Rooks 5868 kills to 4440 = 1.32

However, these statistics are quite interesting...apparently, the Rooks deal better with these planes. Unfortunately, the reverse statistics (Rooks vs HOicane will be "coming soon")...until then...

leitwolf · « **Reply #29 on:** March 29, 2007, 02:38:26 AM »

As far as stats go,
you also have to take into account that the 110 is one of the toolshedders prime choices, which means that k/d stats for this plane do not tell the whole story.

As such, the 410 alongside the Mosquito and 110 would certainly see use in the MA, perhaps even replacing the 110 for ground attack work.