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Offline Puck

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« Reply #30 on: March 28, 2007, 10:43:41 AM »
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I think I want the G.55 to win.  So I can embarrass folks by shooting them down in a Spit 1 or a Tony.  

Personally, I'm tired of redundant planes.   We DO NOT need 3 Yak's, more Ki's, more 109's, more 38's, more 190's, more Bombers.   We do NOT need more scenario planes (Brewster, Pe2, He111, Ki4's, J2M).   The ONLY Arena specific craft are the G.55, P39, or the B25.    The A26 wasn't a factor in WWII to really be included.  

I'd rather see the IAR 81c in the MA, but you won't because it is a relatively unknown plane.   I'd rather see the PBY Catalina in the MA.   I'd rather see the D.520 in the game.

Currently, the Catalina would benefit the most to enhance Arena gameplay.   Allow it to rearm at Ports on a map.   It is a floatplane and should be allowed to do such a thing.   Just double the rearm time for it to happen.   It would add another dimension to the gameplay as well.    Why this hasn't even been considered is shocking to me.


Shock and awe?  For one thing the collision model would probably have to be re-written; ever see anything land on water and survive?  For another thing there's not much for a Catalina to do at this point.  It was a scout/rescue aircraft; there are better scouts and rescue isn't an option.  It has been considered ad-nauseum.  Whether or not it has been considered by HTC is open for debate, but having met HTC I'd be surprised if it didn't get considered in at least one meeting.

As for the A-26, the same can be said of many aircraft, some of which we have already.  The G.55 pretty much falls into that bucket; nice plane, not enough of them.  Same for the C.205, N1K2, F4U-1C, Ta-152, Arado, Me-262/163, etc, etc, etc.  Impact on the war is not much of a consideration.  Personally I'm GLAD impact on the war is not the only consideration.

...and as for the rest, variants are a marvelous way of filling a plane set without making new planes.  There were generally early/mid/late war variations as designs improved.  Some air frames were abandoned, others were good enough to be upgraded and kept in service.  As far as I know there weren't any NEW airframes produced in quantity after about late '43, early '44.  I could be missing one or two, but the majority of the late war monsters we fly were on the drawing board in 1939/1940.  The rest were, as you say, not really a factor.

None of this will have any bearing on my vote, of course.  :cool:
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« Reply #31 on: March 28, 2007, 10:44:12 AM »
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What exactly would the Catalina be doing?


Do you REALLY need to ask this question?
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« Reply #32 on: March 28, 2007, 10:50:38 AM »
I recall a conversation on Channel 1 with HiTech himself a couple of years back.   I asked him if he'd consider the IAR81c.   His reply:  "What plane is that?"
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« Reply #33 on: March 28, 2007, 11:13:34 AM »
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Do you REALLY need to ask this question?



Considering the current MA and the Catalina's role in WWII, yes I do.
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« Reply #34 on: March 28, 2007, 11:32:11 AM »
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Considering the current MA and the Catalina's role in WWII, yes I do.


I'll second that.  Without significant changes to game play I can't see the Catalina leaving the hanger other than as a scout in scenarios.  We DID do a "rescue" enabled special event once, but even that was doable without one.
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,___=1;for(__=___>>___;__<((___<<___<<___<<___<<___
)+(___<<___<<___<<___)-___);__+=___)putchar((_[__
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« Reply #35 on: March 28, 2007, 11:48:26 AM »
I'm sure that with his brilliance he sees some appreciable use for it that we mere mortals cannot.

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« Reply #36 on: March 28, 2007, 11:58:24 AM »
Be nice
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« Reply #37 on: March 28, 2007, 12:20:17 PM »
If personal attacks are involved, later.    Keep whining guys.
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« Reply #38 on: March 28, 2007, 12:35:44 PM »
I was being personal, I was being curious.  If the Catalina has a role in the current game I'm all for something different.  I can't see it, but then I've only got my own prejudices to work with.  I have the same theories about several of the aircraft coming up for vote, each for different reasons.


About the only thing that comes to mind is rescue, and that's not likely in a sim.  Navalized B24s are better sub hunters if we get subs, there's a huge list of potential scouts because airframes are not limited, and anything anti-shipping is also better managed by other med/heavy bombers.


I LIKE flying boats.  I fly them in X-Plane, I can't see flying them in AH.  Edumacate me, please!
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,___=1;for(__=___>>___;__<((___<<___<<___<<___<<___
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« Reply #39 on: March 28, 2007, 12:48:01 PM »
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ever see anything land on water and survive?  


Puck.... you can ditch on water...
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« Reply #40 on: March 28, 2007, 12:57:13 PM »
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Puck.... you can ditch on water...

Yup.  You can ditch on water.  Can you take off again?  

New collision model; one that differentiates between land and water, and allows one aircraft to land and take off and another to ditch.
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main (){char _[]={"S~||(iuv{nkx%K9Y$hzhhd\x0c"},__
,___=1;for(__=___>>___;__<((___<<___<<___<<___<<___
)+(___<<___<<___<<___)-___);__+=___)putchar((_[__
])+(__/((___<<___)+___))-((___&

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« Reply #41 on: March 28, 2007, 01:31:07 PM »
Puck, look up the H8K Emily some time. Come to think of it, the Short Sunderland, as well.

The only thing in AH that matters is that it can take off and land. We have Divebombing lancs. We have NOE 110G's that rape towns. We have High Alt, High Speed Fighter-Bombers Furballing at -5k.

No planes in here are used the way they were intended. If you could spawn the Cat, or any of the other Flying boats from a port or CV group, you could use their bombloads to advantage. That's what would happen.

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« Reply #42 on: March 28, 2007, 01:45:13 PM »
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No planes in here are used the way they were intended. If you could spawn the Cat, or any of the other Flying boats from a port or CV group, you could use their bombloads to advantage. That's what would happen.


Of COURSE no plane is used as it was intended  :)

BUT...spawning float planes from ports...now THAT could be interesting.  What kind of bomb loads did these beasts carry?  IIRC it wasn't all that big...maybe the Emily or Sunderland?  I can't see them spawning from CVs as they were not CV aircraft.  That'd be no different than spawning B25s on the CV.

Still seems like a lot of work for minimal return, though.  Just my opinion.
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,___=1;for(__=___>>___;__<((___<<___<<___<<___<<___
)+(___<<___<<___<<___)-___);__+=___)putchar((_[__
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« Reply #43 on: March 28, 2007, 06:10:55 PM »
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New collision model; one that differentiates between land and water, and allows one aircraft to land and take off and another to ditch.


I'm a total ignorant in this field, but, can't this be done in the plane code?
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